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  •  2010 is going to carry... (3+ / 0-)
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    huge consequences for many cycles to come...the current districts, federal and state, won't change until the 2022 election.

    Millions and millions of people that voted Democratic in 2008 either switched to the GOP or didn't vote at all in 2010. This is the result. There's no way to know who is in that group, but whoever is (and again, we're talking an 8-digit number of people, I just can't muster up much sympathy for.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:35:27 AM PST

    •  Dems & the WH are partly responsible for that (7+ / 0-)

      For refusing to play hardball, chasing bipartisan ponies, abandoning the 50 state strategy, disbanding OFA, focusing on the wrong issues, in policy and messaging, and making the 2010 election about process, not policy.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:40:58 AM PST

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      •  if anyone has to be... (5+ / 0-)

        enticed or invited to vote, then this is what they get. It's akin to starving yourself because no one offered to fix you dinner or invited you to a restaurant.

        The "wrong issues" is always going to be an arbitrary construct...wrong by whose reckoning?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:44:29 AM PST

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        •  Agree. Republicans don't have to be wooed into (6+ / 0-)

          voting.  They will crawl over broken glass to defeat Democrats, even voting time and again against their economic and personal self interest for the perverse need to have their social prejudices reinforced.  Unless the rest of us want to be under the boot of the GOP agenda, we better wake up and pay attention to what has happened in Michigan, soon to be repeated in another blue state ruled by a red party.

          “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

          by ahumbleopinion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:51:44 AM PST

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          •  Yes, republicans do (1+ / 0-)
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            They have a party that obviously and substantially advances what they say they will advance.  The republicans did exactly what they said they would in regards to obstruction, etc.  When you look around and see the GOP agenda winning despite the fact that the Democrats are winning most of the elections and then blame people for not voting you're pointing your finger at the wrong place.  People vote when they see it having a real effect, and when they see it not have an effect then they don't.

            In 2010 people saw that virtually nothing had been done to rein in banks despite a massive Democratic majority and they thought, "why bother," what's the point in voting for a party that doesn't make significant progress with a near supermajority?

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:09:00 AM PST

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      •  hardball, as in... (1+ / 0-)
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        what the GOP is doing now?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:55:08 AM PST

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        •  As in not caving to appeal to imaginary (3+ / 0-)
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          centrists who supposedly get the vapors whenever Dems stand firm, yet who voted en masse for Repubs anyway even after Obama caved.

          I got no one's back who doesn't have mine.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:09:34 AM PST

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          •  centrists... (1+ / 0-)
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            aren't imaginary, and most Americans (especially centrists) don't like endless hardball, they like governance.

            "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

            by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:49:11 AM PST

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            •  Apparently, not, seems most American's are (2+ / 0-)
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              happy to vote against their own interests.

              Most Americans could care less about "governance" and could care less if the President and Mr. Tan Man agree on anything.

              Most Americans want a decent job, clean water, edible food, safe streets, and someday be able to retire.  

              The fact that most Americans can't seem to figure out that voting for Republicans means a crappy job, frack-chem filled water, e-coli in the food, crazed gunmen in the mall, and you'll never be able to retire, gives me pain every day.

            •  Yeah, that strategy really worked... (1+ / 0-)
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              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:34:50 PM PST

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      •  True (1+ / 0-)
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        They were too naive in thinking the GOP wouldn't wage it's attack on them by taking over state governments in key swing states and going after Dem assets while gerrymandering them out of a Congressional majority.

        I hope they realize it now and I hope they have a plan.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02:38 AM PST

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      •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        Voters are responsible for this. If you don't vote then to the winners go the spoils. Unfortunately this is the mess America voted for and we are going to pay that price for a decade.

        •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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          How you govern has no effect on the next election? I've never heard anything more nonsensical in my life.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:36:48 PM PST

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