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  •  There's an argument to be made (9+ / 0-)

    that the LGBT vote won Florida for the President:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/...

    LGBT voters in Florida went with the President 71% to 28%.  Non-LGBT voters went with Romney 50-49%.  The LGBT vote seems to have been the difference, or at least one population that was within the margin to make the difference.

    Charlie Crist can read polls just fine.  

    Hey - isn't there a thought that he might be gay, himself?  I seem to recall that he's a "confirmed bachelor" etc and he seems to fit the profile of someone who is closeted for political benefit.

    Regardless, I'm still glad he switched parties and maybe better late than never on marriage.  There does come a point where you have to wonder, what the hell took so long.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:30:11 PM PST

    •  Let me also say (5+ / 0-)

      He should not get a pass for his egregious support for defining marriage as between a man and a woman.  I'm not sure that he should be elected to anything.  

      I'm just sayin'... it took some polling data  for the President to back away from DOMA too and while Pres Obama does not have the same sorts of skeletons in his closet, part of his "evolution" on the issue certainly had to do with recognizing the power of a key political constituency.  David Geffen certainly has had a word with him.  And it was good politics - Obama beat Romney by 40 points or more among LGBT people and he needed that margin. It's just that with politicians, sometimes one has to accept change even if late.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:37:16 PM PST

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      •  The people who died on his huge (14+ / 0-)

        ADAP waiting list for HIV meds unfortunately don't today have the luxury of forgiveness.

        Last week, over 120 protestors from around the state protested outside the Capitol asking Governor Crist to ‘Be the Governor for People with AIDS’ and to stop changes to the Medicaid that will hurt thousands of patients throughout the state. Among the protestors were scores of people living with HIV/AIDS, as well as their nurses and medical-care providers—all of whom fear changes to Medicaid that will result in a 77% reduction in nursing staff to the low-income, Medicaid HIV/AIDS population. Members of the group—including an AHF/Positive Healthcare nurse care manager and a person living with HIV/AIDS—were granted a meeting with Governor Crist late in the afternoon. The Governor was receptive to the protestors’ concerns and pledged to address the issue. However, despite this promise, the Governor’s silence continues.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:50:36 PM PST

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        •  This is more persuasive (1+ / 0-)
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          than the family law issues as a reason to accept his political conversion while rejecting his future political ambition.  It's also not an issue for the LGBT community only.  FL has a higher rate of TB than most states (often associated with HIV), a high rate of injection drug users, and also a high rate of HIV transmission among all groups.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:11:43 PM PST

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          •  But it's primarily a gay issue. (2+ / 0-)
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            Gay men still make up the majority of those infected with HIV.  And we also represent the majority of new infections.  

            I know the LGBT community has tried very hard to shed the stigma of HIV as a "gay disease," but it's still our community's #1 health challenge.  We need to remember that.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:23:30 PM PST

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            •  It's a preventable "#1 health challenge". (0+ / 0-)

              Work on having the numbers of new infections decrease, that may help with shedding the stigma.

              "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

              by glorificus on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:06:15 PM PST

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              •  Um, yeah, we've been at that for a few decades. (0+ / 0-)

                And the stigma has nothing to do with the number of new infections.  HIV stigma has been with us since the beginning.  It exists independent of the number of people infected.  

                "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:06:07 AM PST

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                •  Well, speaking as a non-homophobic straight (0+ / 0-)

                  person generally sympathetic to equal rights, I'm appalled at the continuing LARGE numbers of new infections in this country every year.

                  "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

                  by glorificus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:54:52 AM PST

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                  •  Speaking as a non-homophobic gay man with HIV, (0+ / 0-)

                    who's entirely sympathetic to equal rights, I'm also appalled at the continuing, large numbers of new infections in this country every year.  But those large numbers are not what it creating the stigma that surrounds HIV.  Rather, it is the stigma that plays a large role in causing new infections.  

                    Until we address the underlying structural problems that lead to HIV infection, things like homophobia, racism, poverty, youth homelessness, and lack of access to health care, we won't be able to lower the number of infections.  Other countries have figured this out and have adopted policies directed at correcting those problems.  The U.S. is simply behind the curve.

                    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                    by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:46:42 AM PST

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            •  HIV is not the gay community's #1 health challenge (0+ / 0-)

              "Barebacking" is!

    •  Crist is married & his wife goes with him... (3+ / 0-)
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      everywhere. She was with him at the White House party a few days ago where he signed the paper changing his registration from Independent to Democrat.
      Today in St. Petersburg he officially pledged to the Democratic party.
      I see Crist and his wife at all kinds of events around Tampa Bay (the opera, Tampa Bay Times Reading Festival).
      Before he married Carole, there were rumors of Crist being gay. There was never any proof. I guess it's like Senator Lindsey Graham. People call him gay because he's not married. I never saw any proof of his gayness. But I can't stand his anti-gay position.
      Today I read a DailyKos diary about Graham (& McCain and Lieberman) being interviewed by Piers Morgan on CNN about marriage equality winning the vote in 3 states in the November election. Graham brought up religious rights, states rights and the possibiity of three people in love getting married as reasons to be against marriage equality. That was ridiculous.
      I don't recall Crist making those kinds of arguments when he led the state I lived in when he was governor and still live in. I didn't vote for him, but he wasn't as radical as most FL Republican governors, including Jeb Bush.
      Sadly, we don't have any state-wide Dem with star power to win a governors' race against the current criminal who now heads our state.

      I share a birthday with John Lennon and Bo Obama.

      by peacestpete on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:53:52 PM PST

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