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  •  You mean the National we pimp for the (5+ / 0-)
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    majcmb1, blueoasis, IreGyre, a2nite, tardis10

    drug cartel buyers association.

    •  there's plenty to castigate the NRA for.... (3+ / 0-)
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      without actually lying about them.  That's the Republicans' job.

      •  I am not sure about your comment (0+ / 0-)

        It is my understanding that one of their main objectives is to protect gun manufacturers.  Some of the major buyers for the gun manufacturers  are drug cartels who use shills to cross the border and buy assault weapons in quantity.

        As I said, that is my understanding/sh

        •  Your "understanding" is incorrect. (0+ / 0-)

          The cartels seem to prefer full-auto weapons.  You don't buy those over-the-counter here in the U.S.  They do some of what you describe, but the vast majority of their guns come from Central and South America.  U.S. Government surplus sold to national governments then diverted to the crime syndicates.  In fact, of the number of guns they do buy here, a surprising percentage seem to have been approved by government agencies who are supposed to be stopping the flow.  Odd way to do it, in my NSHO.

          Best way to end the flow to cartels?  Legalize and regulate the sale of recreational and medical drugs OTC.  Prohibition II has been a stunning failure and doing it harder, faster, deeper and longer won't make it work any better.

          •  From the UK Guardian which (0+ / 0-)

            I consider a reputable source.  The article is from December, 2011. And to clarify a bit, my original remark referred to the leadership of the NRA, not so much its members.

            I do agree about legalizing marijuana.  Prohibition has been a failure, but I stand by my original comment:



            •  So, where are the machine guns coming from? (0+ / 0-)

              Not U.S. gun stores.

              I never claimed guns weren't flowing, with Mexico's gun laws (Prohibition, see Google), it's quite inevitable.  Some of them are quite likely going to common Citizens there who want to try to defend themselves from the cartels, and that I have no problem with.  There should be a legal channel for that, since Mexico can empirically not defend the people there.  Subject for another debate though.

              But the majority of the weapons going to the cartels, and certainly the most powerful ones, are not coming from the U.S. civilian sector.

              By the way, that article has a lot of inaccuracies.  I'd be very hesitent to accept, at face value, any claims on technical aspects of guns from a British source, let alone a US MSM source.  They get it wrong all the time.

            •  P.S. IIRC, those gun stores called the BATFE.... (0+ / 0-)

              at the time of the sale, and were told to allow the sales to proceed.

              A point the article singularly fails to mention.


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