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  •  it does seem to have caught the imagination of the (5+ / 0-)

    site.  the event will likely cause an interesting and sometimes ugly discussion between two camps who have very different ideas about the role of guns in america and what government should do about them.  this may run for a while.

    on the other hand, upstairs is some pretty interesting news for those that get tired of talking about assault weapons.

    i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

    by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:13:26 PM PST

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    •  In my diary there are assault rifles, but they... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...are used for anal rape.

    •  Dog Whistle (3+ / 0-)
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      In between shootings hardly anyone talks guns or crazy people with guns.

      Facebook is filled with posts about this event. Next week we'll see nothing.

      Part of me finds this hypocritical.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:23:54 PM PST

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      •  there's a lot to be said for the attention span... (1+ / 0-)
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        of the average american.  most of it not so good.  

        ... or perhaps it's just that there are always so many terrible things happening that it's just hard to stay focused on one for long enough for our terribly slow system to lumber to a solution to it.

        i'm sure that many people will see other people's behaviors in demanding that we "do something" about gun control now as opportunistic.  personally, i wish that the president would get just as worked up when he orders somebody assassinated and innocent men, women and children are incinerated by hellfire missiles as he was about the children killed in connecticut.

        that notwithstanding, we do have a problem with gun violence. i think a lot of people do talk about the problem that our society has with gun violence in the shortening periods between events, but the larger public is easily distracted and while their attention is focused on this, we ought to push the discussion about a solution forward - because a solution is needed.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:41:26 PM PST

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        •  We are a violent society, (1+ / 0-)
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          it pervades everything, children are steeped in it from Day One. And most people are totally unaware of it -- it's like the wallpaper, unnoticed.

          The US is the world's largest manufacturer and exporter of war weapons, our movies are violent, our TV shows, our sports, our advertising.

          I think we can have an intelligent discussion about limiting access to weapons designed to maim and kill while allowing legitimate hunters to hunt, but first we have to become aware of who we are and how we live. And the US has not been known much for self-reflection heretofore.

          Only way I know of to do this is to keep saying it, talk to people, point it out. Some will notice and agree; others will resist strongly.

          But until we can change the national conversation, I think a civil discussion isn't possible.

          The truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde

          by Mnemosyne on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:53:50 AM PST

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    •  Did see this on FP (0+ / 0-)

      Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:30 PM MST
      Obama, Boehner meet again to negotiate fiscal cliff, might be talking a deal

      By the way, it's not just Social Security benefits that would be affected. It's veterans, too. It's also a tax hike on lower- and middle-income workers because income taxes would be indexed to it as well as federal benefits.

      It's a bad idea for vulnerable people in a recession, and politically it's kind of insane. Why give Republicans the ammunition of Democrats making Social Security cuts when absolutely no concessions have to be made here. First, we can step off the curb and Democrats can come back in a stronger position to negotiate retroactively how to fix it. Second, Boehner doesn't deserve any reward, any movement in his direction, for saying that maybe he'll be okay with raising tax rates for the really, really rich and putting off a fight on the debt ceiling for a year in exchange for pain. Third, Boehner needs to prove he can bring a long his caucus before there are any handshakes between him and Obama.

      3:12 PM PT: Both Ezra Klein and Paul Krugman are reporting that they're hearing this is the framework of a deal. Krugman:

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      by divineorder on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:36:55 PM PST

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