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    •  And Pres Obama. (4+ / 0-)
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      What a way to start your second term.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by Lava20 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:41:50 AM PST

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      •  Everyone has to choose their battles. (14+ / 0-)

        Nobody wins them all. If you feel that you're being "suckered" into a fight, you should be careful. You have to ask if it's worth it.

        Did you see the Russian ambassador on The News Hour last night? He said she was a tough cookie and he was hoping she would move on. She and we might be better off right where she is.

        We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

        by PowWowPollock on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:53:07 AM PST

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        •  Obama needs to stay on the offense. (2+ / 0-)
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          Immigration reform NOW.

          Even before the fiscal cliff thing gets wrapped up.

          Keep the Repubs on their back feet.

          We need the reeling when the SCOTUS seats open up.

          Keep them on the defense.

          Always.

          "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

          by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:01:22 AM PST

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      •  Power is finite? (3+ / 0-)
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        What I find amazing is the assertion that Obama has some finite number of things he can get done within the scope of McCain's and Graham's good will.  Really, is that the way power works in the current hyper-partisan environment?  There is no good will on which Obama can count.  None from those two, and none from the Republican caucus as a whole.  If nothing else is obvious from the record Republicans have left in this Congress, and from the actions of McCain, Graham, Ayotte, Collins, et al in the pre-nomination fight over Susan Rice, it is that Republicans still intend to obstruct their way into power.  The more they successfully obstruct and achieve their ends, the more their reputation for power grows.  In a world where it is better to be feared than liked, an ugly win is still a win.

        Note: the discussion of finite limits on power doesn't apply to Republicans.  The Villagers think Republicans build power by exercising it.  They're right, power isn't spent.  Power is an image, a reputation.  Exercising power successfully builds that image and reputation, it doesn't fritter it away.  The opposite is also true.  

        Getting a little way into this fight before walking away was sloppy and weak.  Maybe this reflects a transition mentality.  Whatever the cause, Obama needs to adjust the way he delegated and he needs to correct or replace the staff that failed him.  He needs to do all that soon, real soon.  There will be no honeymoon.

        •  And I might add (2+ / 0-)
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          There is no good will on which Obama can count.  None from those two, and none from the Republican caucus as a whole.
          And none from some in his own party who eagerly blame every near-treasonous behavior of Republicans on him.  

          “If we, citizens, do not support our artists, then we sacrifice our imagination on the altar of crude reality and we end up believing in nothing and having worthless dreams.” ~ Yann Martel

          by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:47:47 AM PST

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        •  walking away from a fight (3+ / 0-)
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          This was a fight that the President could have won and I am dissapointed that in the final analysis he failed to undertake.  You are right.  Walking away from this fight makes him look weak and that is meat for these voracious Republicans.  They respect nothing but strength and he certainly gained nothing, in their eyes, by walking away from the fight.  Frankly, it was an opportunity at the beginning of his second term to demonstrate his will to govern from a position of power.  I am afraid that this opportunity is now lost and the Republicans will see it as just another example of the President caving in the face of bullshit from Fox News and Senator McCain.  Very dissapointing.

        •  But Obama (3+ / 0-)
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          didn't walk away. Rice did. He let her, obviously, but I take it that he was prepared to fight for her nomination HAD HE MADE IT.

          Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

          by trevzb on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:28:16 AM PST

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          •  She took one for the team (0+ / 0-)

            Rice took one for the team, a noble act when viewed in isolation.  While I certainly have no inside knowledge about how that came about and I expect to never have any, I can say that more often than not, someone taking one for the team does not do so in isolation.  If it's a team in any real sense, the team is involved.  It was sloppy staff work that let her get to the point where that team sacrifice was apparently the best option.  Obama is in charge, but the details of staff work are not his job.  What is his job is holding those to whom he delegated this work to account.  The easy answer to the question of what to do about it will not serve him, or the nation, well in the coming months.

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