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  •  Ok, so you have no suggestions, just complaints. (11+ / 0-)

    Roger that.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:48:02 AM PST

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    •  And you have no suggestions either? (19+ / 0-)

      There is nothing at all that we, as a supposedly enlightened society should do?

      Never mind that the NRA long ago stopped being a responsible organization that existed to educate people about gun safety and responsible ownership and use of firearms.

      Never mind that the NRA is now just another trade group that profits handsomely from the sale of guns and ammunition, and now cynically leverages right-wing hate, racism, and fear ("Obama wants to take away your guns!! Better run out and buy more now while you can!!!") for their own profit.

      We should just leave everything alone? It's fine as it is? That we are now a country that is armed to the fucking teeth, that most of the people who are armed are Fox News watching angry white guys who hate everyone who doesn't look like them, that some of these angry armed white guys are blowing away teenage youth for the crime of sitting in a car with their music turned up or wearing a hoodie while being black, that children die every day because gun owners don't have a fucking clue how to safeguard their guns, that anyone, ANYONE, can buy a gun, or an assault rife, or magazines loaded with way too many bullets, at a gun show, with no questions asked?

      That's all just fine and dandy?

      Perhaps it's up to the gun proponents here to offer some suggestions? Otherwise, take your fucking 2nd amendment sanctimoniousness elsewhere please.

      /rant

      The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

      by flitedocnm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:23:21 AM PST

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      •  I've already offered suggestions. (13+ / 0-)

        Repeatedly. Ad nauseum.

        Single payer health care (mental health care)
        Jobs
        Marijuana legalization
        Jobs
        Education
        Jobs
        Better social safety nets

        No one can just buy an assault rifle at a gun show. They've been regulated since the 30s.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:30:46 AM PST

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        •  Really? (23+ / 0-)

          Inside The Phoenix Gunshow: No Hassle To Buy Assault Rifles

          And your seven suggestions are all wonderful progressive goals. And perhaps reduction of poverty, better education and more opportunity will take away some of the anger and hate that leads to violence. That would be wonderful.

          But even if we did every single one of those things,

          There will be mentally ill people who now can get guns MUCH TOO EASILY.

          There will still be angry domestic abusers who now can get guns MUCH TOO EASILY.

          There will still be alcoholics who get violent when they are drunk and who now can get guns MUCH TOO EASILY.

          There will still be convicted felons who can walk into gun shows and get guns MUCH TOO EASILY.

          There will still be angry white guys who are being driven to extremes of hatred and paranoia by the very people who supposedly want responsible uses of guns, and who now can get guns MUCH TOO EASILY.

          Sorry, your suggestions are anodynes that entirely avoid addressing the essential issue. You can't possibly conceive of a single law or regulation that might make any of this better? Really?

          The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

          by flitedocnm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:49:14 AM PST

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          •  I wish I could rec your comments here (11+ / 0-)

            1000 times, and/or hug you. Seriously.

            Who cares what the fucking Republicans would vote for? They'd vote for cooking poor children and exporting them as delicacies if they had the chance. -- Jim P

            by Colorado is the Shiznit on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:56:35 AM PST

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          •  asdf (8+ / 0-)

            No, those aren't assault rifles. Those are called assault weapons. There's actually a difference.

            You can't possibly conceive of a single law or regulation that might make any of this better? Really?
            When it comes to firearms, you're right. I don't see a law that'll pass that will have any discernible affect. We have 283 million firearms in this country in civilian hands. Most of which are not registered so they're easily transferred without paperwork. What do you suggest be passed?

            Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

            by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:09:23 AM PST

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            •  Thank you for the reasoned response. (8+ / 0-)

              I am not familiar with the technical distinction between assault rifles and assault weapons. Shouldn't BOTH be regulated? Or banned completely from being in civilian hands?

              So, I'd start with that: ban the sale of all assault weapons and rifles to civilians.

              And I'd pass laws to strictly regulate gun shows. Get rid of the damn loopholes. Impose the same rules as are imposed on the sale of guns and ammo at shops. If that's not possible, then ban gun shows.

              And I'd ban the sale of extended magazines. Simply not necessary for self defense or sport shooting. (I won't pretend to offer an exact definition. I'm not a gun expert. I'm sure many others can be more specific.)

              Would that be enough? Probably not. But perhaps a good start?

              The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

              by flitedocnm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:34:04 AM PST

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              •  rec'd for a reasoned reply and substance. n/t (7+ / 0-)
              •  Several issues here. (1+ / 0-)
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                1. Rifles and shotguns of all types are used in less than 3% of gun crime.  So called "assault rifles" make up a small fraction of that 3%.  So they really aren't a statistically significant problem.

                2. The term "assault weapon" is a lie.  It's intended to make you think this is a fully automatic machine gun, which they aren't.  They function no differently than any other semi-auto rifle, they simply have slightly different ergonomics and styling, and are a bit more modular than "traditional" rifles.  They are no more lethal when used as weapons; less lethal actually, as they generally use calibers/chamberings of ammo far less powerful than most mid-to-large size game hunting rifles.  (And all of those "traditional" hunting rifles, semi-auto and bolt actions alike, can be directly traced to a prior military design.)  They can be used for hunting small-to-medium sized game just fine and are becoming very common in that part of firearms usage.  

                3. Banning them will merely create another black market.  And nothing says "increased crime rates" like adding to the black market.

                4. The laws inside a gun show are exactly the same ones outside a gun show and at every gun store.  Every single one.  There are no "loopholes".

                5. "Simply not necessary for self defense or sport shooting."  Uh, sex who, and based on what criteria and evidence?  Every high-profile crime I can recall where an extended magazine was used, the magazine jammed.  They are not, usually, particularly reliable, and rarely used in crimes.

            •  but the really important thing... (1+ / 0-)
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              ....is you wan't even try because you love your guns more than anything.

              We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

              by delver rootnose on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:06:49 PM PST

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          •  Don't sweat the "convicted Felons" (7+ / 0-)

            as over half of them are convicted of non-violent crimes.

            Worry about those non-convicts demonstrated to be prone-to-violence, who avoid the Felony due to influence or a system that doesn't value certain physical actions* as-dangerous-as  possession of a salable amount of marijuana, SEC violations, or tax evasion.

            I conceive of a law where those persons with mental health issues can be added or removed from the list with physician and court action, not always on, or always off as the system fails to understand the medical nature of mental illness.

            * bar fights, stadium fights, domestic violence - just three of many examples.

        •  Gee KV, include a pair of unicorns and a griffin (1+ / 0-)
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          on your list and I'll support it!!!!

          You just refuse to actually care, and kids keep dying.

          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:43:30 PM PST

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    •  You want to be a responsible gun owner? (0+ / 0-)

      YOU come up with ways to stop this from happening. Otherwise you are part of the problem.

      ePluribus Media
      Collaboration is contagious!

      by m16eib on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:27:43 PM PST

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