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  •  Yes. (2+ / 2-)
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    bruddaone, PavePusher
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    shaharazade, kefauver

    It announces to anyone with murder on the mind that here is a place where you'll find no armed opposition.

    The alternative is to permit citizens to look after their own security, and stop pretending that signs and taboo are any defense against a murderous loon.

    •  Exactly.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Pete Cortez, PavePusher

      The murderous loon has no reasonable expectation thet he'll be taken out before he gets the first shot off...which is why this continues to happen...

      And if he doesn't take his own life he gets 3 hots and a cot, free medical for the next 20 years...no downside for the loon

    •  What if the unhinged white male of the day (4+ / 0-)
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      SilentBrook, corvo, Avila, john07801

      has been nurturing fantasies of suicide by third-grader?

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      by jan4insight on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:10:19 AM PST

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    •  Neither are more guns! (8+ / 0-)

      I was hoping this was snark, but from your other comments, I suppose you really mean this.

      How many mass shootings have there been in the US since, I don't know, 1980?  From some incomplete lists and less than 5 minutes of research, I'm in the ballpark of 40.  I'm sure the real total is larger.

      How many of them have been cut short by armed civilian opposition?  How many?  I can't find any, but let's be generous.  Let's say there have been five.  Those are still terrible odds.  Let's compare them to the odds of an accident happening when we intentionally put firearms into an environment filled with kindergarteners through 4th graders.

      Which is more dangerous for our children, hmm?  Refusing to allow that 3rd grade reading teacher to pack heat in case some crazy comes through the door with a pair of pistols, even though the odds are that wouldn't matter anyway?  Or being 100% certain that that third grade class won't be the site of a tragic accident if the teacher leaves her desk unlocked and some 8-year-old pulls the "classroom safety firearm" from the drawer?

      There are legitimate topics of debate to be made regarding RKBA.

      Whether we should arm our elementary schools shouldn't be -- and isn't -- one of them.

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      by Serpents Choice on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:15:11 AM PST

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      •  Average about 20 a year... (1+ / 0-)
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        PavePusher

        ...so over 32 years, 640.  A very rare event.  Also, a set of events that vary greatly in circumstances, defying easy categorization.

        Which is more likely?  Unintentional firearm injury in the classroom or an active shooter roaming the halls?

        Simply because you find something incredulous, without any reference to the facts, is hardly cause for declaring a topic of debate illegitimate.

        •  You ask "Which is more likely?" (2+ / 0-)
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          corvo, Avila

          In the past couple of years, we've heard several incidents of kids bringing guns to school, droping them (or their conveyance, like a backpack) and having them go off, injuing others.

          On the other side, we've had this one active shooter roam the halls.

          Already, the former is more likely. And that is current, not including if we were to adopt your suggestion that an armed schoolhouse is a polite schoolhouse.

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          by SilentBrook on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:30:04 AM PST

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    •  This is insane (2+ / 0-)
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      kj in missouri, kefauver

      You seriously think teachers are somehow equivalent to Navy Seals?

      Seriously?

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