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  •  Rec'd for honest respectful disagreement. (1+ / 0-)
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    KenBee

    None of us have ever said that there shouldn't be any restrictions.  We all seem to agree, we don't want convicted criminals or the mentally unstable having access to said devices.  

    I've always believed the States could do almost anything they wanted, not the Federal Government, especially with regards to the 2nd A. I don't think the NRA agrees with me though. And the majority of our members detest the NRA, their games and Fear Porn For Profit©, (FPFP for short). So, equating us to their right-wing political action group doesn't help us solve these problems.

    Stricter gun laws won't change health privacy issues and protections.  Will you give up your right to medical privacy? Or your childrens'?

    Say we propose a law like Any person on a prescription drug must register said use with the NICS and pay for it through user fees.  Or even easier, have the Pharmacist automatically send the info into the database???

    If said prescription drug registered isn't for a mental disorder, approve the background check??? The database would have to be enormous, 4.2 billion prescriptions are written every year in America.

    There are always alternatives that we haven't actually discussed or thought of yet.  It seems the debate is "no guns" or "all guns"...I simply don't agree with that framing and many of my fellow RKBA members don't either.

    I hope when emotions have settled down we could continue this. For now, I'll suggest this posting I made in MB's diary just a bit ago.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:47:46 PM PST

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    •  Well.... (0+ / 0-)

      you might not like my ideas on gun safety laws, but my ideas are based on personal experience with individuals who should not be allowed to have guns. To begin with, I want an assault weapons ban and stringent concealed carry laws.

      Medical privacy issues?

      Say we propose a law like Any person on a prescription drug must register said use with the NICS and pay for it through user fees.  Or even easier, have the Pharmacist automatically send the info into the database???
      That prescription drug registration and fee you suggest isn't going to happen that way. While I share your concern with the "just take a pill" culture in the US (pervasive with doctors and overall population), my take on medical records could be different than yours.

      I'm a believer in good electronic medical records systems because I've seen firsthand how the systems can save lives, prevent prescription errors; a benefit that far outweighs any risk of privacy infringement.

      I just don't find the Big Brother concept to be a credible threat.

      The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

      by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:55:41 AM PST

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      •  I never said anything about "big brother". (0+ / 0-)

        If we are to find legitimate solutions, we must help one another.

        Banning stuff doesn't help the distraught bullied teenager, the depressed single mother or the distressed college student.

        Funding for free public mental health services would.

        Tying the NICS system into a mandatory reporting database for those on psychotic drugs would. Every drug that has known side-effects that interfere with cognitive abilities, report the prescription and the person taking it.

        Say you got your gun last week because you passed the NICS background check and two weeks later your spouse leaves you, you get fired and evicted, you go to the doc's for Prozac or Paxil, your permit could be flagged or suspended.

        In New York, you have to identify ever member whom may have access to a firearm if you want to get a permit.  If a member is a convicted felon, you don't get one yourself.  The laws could be modified, say if you have children, no permit.  Children on drugs, no permit. Spouse on anti-depressants, no permit.

        If we really want to save lives, then what's stopping us?

        It sure as hell isn't the damn 2nd Amendment.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:33:34 AM PST

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        •  Aha. I totally misunderstood your earlier point (1+ / 0-)
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          about the prescription drug database, which I read as a new topic. Here I was thinking that permits should be revoked for anyone involved in domestic dispute. I was just thinking too small! ;)

          Antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds don't lead to a propensity towards violence except, perhaps, to oneself. So those restrictions are too draconian even for me.

          These restrictions you describe are not ones that I've read previously from the RKBA group. Good comment from you; it urges me to do more research and thinking.

          The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

          by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:39:50 PM PST

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