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  •  no such thing.... (1+ / 0-)
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    just do a little more research....please....your diary and the above comment is filled with false information and hysteria....

    Just do a tad more research...just a tad more...please...

    •  Or, you could identify any false information. (2+ / 0-)
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      Every quote is sourced from highly reputable sources.

      Please identify any information you contest.  

      Also, I am not hysterical but, sad to see repeated killings of innocents of a systematic recurrence  we see in few, if any, other advanced industrial countries.

      The quote of our president is sourced from CBS and can be found in dozens of other major publications.

      Can you produce even one suggesting he did not make this statement, which is a direct blockquote of CBS?

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:42:39 PM PST

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      •  as an example... (1+ / 0-)
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        this is false...

        "add on clips that convert regular hand guns to these faster shooting weapons."

        ridiculously so...there is no such thing...

        discussion of our excess gun violence, today, while peoples attention's are "hot" to do our best to prevent future deaths." To do less, is to tacitly enable future deaths, and will leave blood on our collective hands

        This is also false...any credible research right or left...will tell you gun violence as a whole is down...no matter the reason you chose to account for it, whether it be gun control or more guns...

        just as examples

        •  I'll change the add on clips, to (0+ / 0-)

          "regular hand guns" to add on devices that can upgrade some legal guns to assault level weapons" which I agree would be more accurate.

          These have been widely described in the press and I believe are included in the expired assault weapons regulation.

          We disagree if you think we do not have excess gun violence.  Not to address it, does leave us responsible for future deaths.

          We do not need additional research to tell us that any numbers of  deaths of innocents from assault weapons, are "excess" and  are evidence of a need to do more about them.  

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:29:02 PM PST

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        •  The statement 'add on clips" occurred in the above (0+ / 0-)

          comment not the post so I can not change it, to "add on devices that upgrade the non-assault grade weapons to assault grade, which my understanding is dealt with in the expired assault weapons bill which the President supports.

          This seems like a somewhat trivial point, but I'm glad to make it, but does not change my point that while the more controversial elements of gun control, and other proposals to address our "culture of gun violence" may need more refinement, support for the assault weapons ban ought be straight-forward and non-controversial.

          As a society, we need to take some symbolic step to illustrate to ourselves that we are willing to stand behind the rule-of-law and law and order.

          Drawing a line between guns for hunting, and self-protection, and "assault level weapons" is reasonable, and objective step forward.  

          Not to take such a reasonable first step will leave of with collective responsibility, and leave many, including children with a fear that no one is taking steps to protect them.  

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:42:48 PM PST

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          •  I'd like to see what this thing is... (0+ / 0-)

            "to add on devices that can upgrade some legal guns to assault level weapons"

            We'll agree to disagree on the rest....

            •  Wikipedia provides the specific definition (0+ / 0-)

              of what constitutes an assault weapon.  The intent of my comments about the add-on devices" was to include any of the following devices that can be purchased separately and then added to a weapon that would not meet the criteria of an assault weapon, but can be converted to one in after-market modifications.

              My understanding is that the Assault Weapons ban supported by President Obama and others includes language to ban modified weapons as well.  This would include such things as firing pins that can convert Uzi's sold as single shot weapons to automatic weapons.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              Criteria of an assault weapon

              Assault weapon (semi-automatic) refers primarily (but not exclusively) to firearms that possess the cosmetic features of an assault rifle (which are fully-automatic). Actually possessing the operational features, such as 'full-auto', is not required for classification as an assault weapon; merely the possession of cosmetic features is enough to warrant such classification as an assault weapon. Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent cartridge casing and load the next cartridge into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun; rather, only one round is fired with each trigger pull.
              In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non-select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of cosmetic features from the following list of features:

              A semi-automatic Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifle.

              An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.
              Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
              Folding or telescoping stock
              Pistol grip
              Bayonet mount
              Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
              Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
              Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
              Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
              Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
              Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
              Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
              A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
              Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
              Folding or telescoping stock
              Pistol grip
              Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
              Detachable magazine.
              [edit]Provisions of the ban

              The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was only a small part (title XI, subtitle A) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.
              The Act created a flowchart for classifying 'assault weapons' and subjected firearms that met that classification to regulation. Nineteen models of firearms were defined by name as being 'assault weapons' regardless of how many features they had. Various semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns were classified as 'assault weapons' due to having various combinations of features.
              The Act addressed only semi-automatic firearms, that is, firearms that fire one shot each time the trigger is pulled. Neither the AWB nor its expiration changed the legal status of fully automatic firearms, which fire more than one round with a single trigger-pull; these have been regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986.
              The Act also defined and banned 'large capacity ammunition feeding devices' in the ban, which generally applied to magazines or other ammunition feeding devices with capacities of greater than a certain number of rounds, and that up to the time of the Act were considered normal or factory magazines. Media and popular culture referred to these as 'high capacity magazines or feeding devices'. Depending on the locality and type of firearm, the cutoff between a 'normal' capacity and 'high' capacity magazine was 3, 7, 10, 12, 15, or 20 rounds. The now defunct federal ban set the limit at 10 rounds.

              My original comment was referring to large capacity ammunition feeding devices that can be attached, or "clipped-on" to weapon that otherwise, would  not meet the criteria for an assault weapon but can be converted to one in the ways described above.

              The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by HoundDog on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:51:19 PM PST

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