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  •  I'm gonna cut Carney some slack on this (16+ / 0-)

    The news was just coming in as the regularly scheduled briefing was starting. There was not time to prepare a considered response. If you read the comment threads on any of the corporate media coverage of this you'll be sickened, but you'll also be reminded how intractable and seriously warped so many people's attitudes are about guns. I think it's best for the administration to take a bit of time to think about how best to respond. There's no particular reason why Carney had to make any sort of a policy pronouncement off the top of his head. I think that would have been a mistake.

    •  re "best . . . to take a bit of time to think " (5+ / 0-)

      Four years?  It's not like this hasn't happened before.  

      •  OK, some slack. Maybe a few hours. A day at most. (6+ / 0-)

        And it shouldn't come from Carney.

        It should come straight from Obama.

        He has the support of America right now.

        TODAY -- he needs to come forward today, tomorrow at the latest. With SOMETHING more than prayers and deep condolences.

        The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

        by flitedocnm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:34:01 AM PST

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    •  Perspective (5+ / 0-)

      I live in the town of Weston next to Newtown and have a son in third grade.  I just received the following email:

      Dear Families of Weston Students,

      With the sad news coming out of Newtown, I would like to update you on the response here in Weston to ensure the security and safety of our students, staff, and visitors.
      Due to the fluidity of the Newtown reports, we have implemented the following safety precautions for our Weston students.

      School personnel will be riding on each of the elementary school buses to ensure that students arrive home safely.  We ask that you meet your child’s bus at the bus stop.  In the event that you cannot do so, please arrange for another adult to receive your child, if possible.
      We have canceled all after-school activities for grades K-12, including athletic contests at the high school for safety and out of respect for victims of the tragedy in Newtown.
      For the remainder of the day, school personnel will continue to be stationed at the main entrances to our schools.
      Police are stationed at both ends of our campus with high visibility and they also have several officers on School Road.
      All recess was held inside today.
      We have staff walking the inside of each school checking the exterior doors to ensure that they are fully closed, locked, and remain that way.
      Central office administrators have been visiting schools throughout to day to reassure and assist staff, as needed.
      Please keep the individuals and families of the Newtown elementary school in your thoughts and prayers.  In addition, we ask that you please monitor your child’s access to the media around this event, especially at the elementary level.   Also know that our counselors will be available next week for any students who might be experiencing difficulties related to this event.

      Sincerely,

      Colleen A. Palmer, Ph. D.

      What should I tell my highly gifted 8 year old son?  My 5 year old goddaughter attends another nursery school in Newtown.  

      I long ago gave up on meaningful gun control in this country.  There are just too many guns out there, even if we  made it completely illegal to own any firearms, except for law enforcement personnel.  Equally important, there are too many maniacs out there whose minds are warped by a constant display of violence on tv, movies, and videogames.  

      In my opinion, as an attorney, a blanket firearm ban would violate the 2nd Amendment.  An "assault weapons" ban would be meaningless and wouldn't have prevented this.  I believe this is why Obama is torn on this issue, not because of the "cling" quote from 4 years ago.  He doesn't have to face reelection.  America needs a long look in its cultural mirror.  We won't like what we see.

      •  Oh, she's a PhD (0+ / 0-)

        Now I feel much better.

      •  Social and economic stresses do far more (0+ / 0-)

        than media depictions of violence ever can.

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        by The Dead Man on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:52:50 AM PST

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      •  About the cultural mirror, (1+ / 0-)
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        you are so right. But Canada watches those same tv shows and movies and has more firearms per capita than the US, but only have a miniscule amount of gun crime.

        The real difference is they don't have an NRA filling a large chunk of the populace full of fear and outrage with lies and exaggerations.
        Canadians have gun clubs, but they aren't militant like so many of ours are.
        The NRA and the rightwing propaganda machine have made reasonable people radical and those with a tenuous hold on reality at best into maniacs.
        It is our culture, our society (there I go being a blame-society typical liberal again) that allows and encourages this sickness to grow. It's next to impossible to head off because so much of the cause lies between the ears of individuals who, for whatever reason, can't maintain a grip on reason.
        We can enact law after law, have amnesty days and buy-backs galore. We're.never.going.to.get.enough.guns out of the reach of the unbalanced among us.
        Someway, somehow, we have to address the aspects of our culture that facilitate these horrific tragedies. And changing the hearts and minds of masses of people is long, difficult work. But it's work that must be done if we don't want children being gunned down in our schools or if we don't want to live in a world where going shopping at the mall risks life and limb.

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:28:11 PM PST

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    •  Yeah. No need to show anger or dismay over (1+ / 0-)
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      something like this. You might get criticized like Bob Costas.

      Better to just be a cool cumber and calculate the political fallout first.

      FUCK THAT! WHERE DO I GO TO VOTE FOR A FUCKING LIBERAL?

      And I phone banked for Obama. But shit. Motherfucker. You should be a human being first, Press Secretary second.

      Reaganomics noun pl: belief that unregulated capitalism can produce unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources and we the people can increase revenue by decreasing revenue.

      by FrY10cK on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:04:04 PM PST

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