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  •  Finally! We need to do a lot of things (11+ / 0-)

    Sensible gun control and OMG please adequate mental heath care. These shooters are victims too. Many states stop mental health care for kids when they reach 18, a miracle cure I guess. A young man who begged for help and couldn't get it went on a shooting spree where I live. His name was Robbie Hawkins and no one cared about him.

    The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

    by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:37:17 PM PST

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    •  This young man is said to have been (6+ / 0-)

      troubled, to have "problems." I wonder if he got any help at all.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:00:37 PM PST

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    •  Most of these perpetrators are over 18 (7+ / 0-)

      with some SERIOUS unresolved emotional issues that need to be paid for somehow. I'm just reeling today with the news, and searching, searching for answers. All the statistics are coming out, about how there are over 300 million adults in this country , and well over 1 million guns.

      While in my heart of hearts I wish we could just "disappear" the guns, it is entirely unthinkable . Not gonna happen. The tragedy today was committed by a young adult with his mother's guns. She would pass a background check. The shooter in the Oregon mall just days ago used a stolen weapon. Can't really prevent that either.

      The discussion in our home turned to these approaches :
       - providing serious level person to person on time, fully funded counseling, at the very local level..parenting support, school counselors, local mental health facilities. I love this diary for pointing out that Homeland Security is exactly appropriate for this - well done !!!

      - immediate (an executive order ?) banning of online gun sales and gun show / flea market type of sales with no background checks , going forward . Enforce all background checks everywhere. Federal law could eliminate concealed weapon "right to carry" state laws . Restrict magazine sales and automatic weapon sales. This is a crisis in our country.

      -  Build physical barriers around our schools , with guards ( more than one ) . These campuses are way too open, and vunerable. Overseas schools tend to look like prisons compared to ours, and they demand even of parents their driver's license and issue a pass with a neckstrap, without which you cannot get into the school building . You park outside and walk in . They check what you are carrying, and question you looking in your eyes.

      -We need to defend ourselves . Install metal detectors at mall entrances . Other countries that deal with violence do all of these things and more. We'll never stop the crazy completely , but we can slow it down.

      •  I don't agree with banning concealed carry (3+ / 0-)
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        BobTheHappyDinosaur, KenBee, oldpunk

        OMG you have to be squeaky clean to get one. Other than at one most Americans agree with you. But bare in mind only those who have been involuntarily committed show up with background checks. Our shooter today likely could have purchased a gun legally.

        The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

        by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:29:04 PM PST

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        •  Not legally in CT, he was underage, and - no, (2+ / 0-)
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          Gorette, OleHippieChick

          you don't have to be "squeaky clean", that's just not true - four states don't restrict concealed carry AT ALL, and in others, simple assault or simple battery and most non-violent crimes won't disqualify a CCW applicant.

          •  two states that i know-of (1+ / 0-)
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            Gorette

            Vermont and Alaska don't require a CCW - not even for out-of-state residents.
            48 other states have some form of regulation, though the law in Arizona appears to have changed to "21 and over" with no requirement for a CCW.

            •  Alaska I can understand it is still mostly (0+ / 0-)

              wilderness

              The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

              by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:39:50 PM PST

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              •  Alaska is rather right wing. (1+ / 0-)
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                oldpunk

                But what of Vermont?

                That's where the folks from California have gone, finding California a bit too capitalist/corporatist/fascist for their liking.
                Gray hair, and Birkenstocks with wool socks is a tell-tale sign.

                •  Politics probably doesn't have much to do with it (0+ / 0-)

                  you can get hurt in Alaska it is wild wilderness in most places. Vermont isnt' very populated, mountains who knows but apparently it works for them. I had to go thru such hoops to get my conceal I assumed it was pretty strict every where. I live in Nebraska now and just got it here. I personally do not believe we have a right to carry a concealed weapon and it needs to be very strictly regulated.

                  The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

                  by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:12:26 PM PST

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          •  I got mine in Wa and I did have to be squeaky (1+ / 0-)
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            If it is lax in your state you need to raise hell.

            The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

            by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:37:14 PM PST

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          •  Thats right his brother is 24, sorry (0+ / 0-)

            The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

            by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:38:51 PM PST

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        •  Are there 1 million squeaky clean people in FL? (2+ / 0-)
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          Alice in Florida, OleHippieChick

          I find it hard to believe, living here. I suppose it's possible, but to live with them everywhere I am fearful.

          "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

          by Gorette on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:09:50 AM PST

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          •  Some of them may be from out of (1+ / 0-)
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            state--I thought I saw something to the effect that FL residence is not required for a FL concealed carry permit.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:18:04 AM PST

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      •  Excellent points-- about protecting schools (1+ / 0-)
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        especially. I had no idea European schools were so much better protected. I know of a school here in FL that does a good job re ID etc. but not the other things. Metal detectors sound like a good idea and though you just hate to do that for elementary schools you have to be realistic. With so many guns here it seems crazy that Europe would have better security in schools.

        You need to know that there are vastly more guns than you think, if that 1 million is not a typo. There are 88.8 firearms per 100 people in US, or almost one for every person. People who own one gun often own two (62% do) and 17% of gun owners have a semi-automatic weapon per this chart.

        I have heard that the FBI says there are more than 200 million guns in the US.

        So really we should argue, if Americans want to own so many guns and we live in an armed camp, then they need to agree to pay for better protection for our kids, and adults, for full compliance background checks and for much better mental health.

        Thanks for your comment.

        "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

        by Gorette on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:08:05 AM PST

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      •  Are the metal detectors hooked up to "man (0+ / 0-)

        traps" where you have two doors only one of which can be open at a time (which means screening will take forever as you can only check one person at a time)?  Because if there isn't something like that then the gunman could just shoot the guard at the metal detector and walk through since metal detectors merely detect guns and other metal objects.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:53:59 AM PST

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      •  Regarding physical barriers (1+ / 0-)
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        I think I heard on one report that physical barriers (only one entrance/exit opening in area where shooting took place) made it more difficult for victims to escape...some "solutions" can actually make the problem worse. Turning all public buildings into fortresses is not the way forward.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:16:28 AM PST

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    •  Even if children are supposed to be able to get (1+ / 0-)
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      help with mental health, access is a problem.
      This "kid", the shooter, was located in a small town about 27000 people.  I doubt if their was a proper mental health professional available.
      I have that problem living in a small town so, we do without.

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