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  •  I dont think it's the right time for (20+ / 0-)

    the PRESIDENT to discuss gun control. I dont know what purpose it would serve RIGHT NOW, as this tragedy is unfolding, and he and many others are clearly shaken up about.

    I do agree with the thinking that the criticism of not talking about it is valid, that we talk about talking about it later and it never happens. That is true. We do need to have a discussion on it, and have it be a policy discussion. But I dont think that can happen today. That's just my view on it.  

    •  What else do you propose we today? (5+ / 0-)

      Cry? I prefer finally taking action to prevent this from happening again.

      •  Let those who want to cry, cry (13+ / 0-)

        Let those who want to act, act.

        The former will eventually join the latter. :)

      •  Fine. (1+ / 0-)
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        What kind of action?

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        by lcj98 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:38:38 PM PST

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        •  Ban all handguns for personal use. (2+ / 0-)
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          It's what the UK eventually did after they had their version of this shooting. It was called the Dunblane massacre, and also involved more than a dozen K-aged children killed by a gunman (along with their teacher) in a primary school.

          It's meaningful action. It leads to change.

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          by progressivist on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:42:54 PM PST

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        •  I'd love to see him... (0+ / 0-)

          Call the head of the NRA to the White House for either a public ass chewing. Barring that, twisting his arm to say that after five years of propaganda about Obama coming for their guns, the NRA has hurt his ability to actually do something, so YOU Mr. NRA head, are going to step up and propose serious changes to the gun laws.
          Put it back on them if he would be reflexively resisted...

        •  Ban all handguns and semiautomatic weapons (0+ / 0-)

          whether they are handguns or long guns. Strict control on bolt action or single shot rifles designed for hunting. Strict control of ammo. Testing for mental stability and background checks for past violence. And hard prison time for breaking of these laws...

          I guess Hell's just the place for "kiss ass politicians" who pander to assholes.

          by LeftArmed on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:42:42 PM PST

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      •  And who the heck are you (2+ / 0-)
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        to question people who DO choose to cry today?  You know, it is a day of national tragedy.  We all see our children and our families among those going through hell today.  If you want to go activist defcon -- go for it.  But for most people, they are in shock and horror and they need a president to be their comforter in chief today.  Given his actual words, I am willing to bet he is not going to be offering only platitudes in the future.  He intimated action regardless of the politics.  That was good to hear; so was the sound of his voice breaking; and so were his words of care for all the people who are suffering today.  

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        by Delilah on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:46:18 PM PST

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      •  Have you taken action at the local level? (0+ / 0-)

        At your city council, your county government?

        Do your state representatives know you will vote for a candidate who takes on gun regulation?

        Have you told them what regulations you would support and why?

    •  He Doesn't (3+ / 0-)
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      Have to DISCUSS gun control right now, but he can start prepping for the battle to come.  Talk is cheap.  There are plenty of allies he could start contacting behind the scenes, plenty of weapons he has at his disposal (shifting Federal law enforcement from minor drugs to focusing on illegal guns), etc.  

      If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.

      by Senor Frog on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:32:04 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, that's the tricky part (3+ / 0-)
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      When someone says "now is not the time," how can we distinguish between people who feel we should focus on grieving first, from people who are using that phrase as an excuse to avoid addressing this national problem?  

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:26 PM PST

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    •  elephant in the room is mental illness (4+ / 0-)
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      no one is talking about solving that.

      •  we need to ask why (4+ / 0-)

        we have so many citizens that feel so angry and desperate and hopeless that they're willing to kill members of their own families and communities and themselves.

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        by I Lurked For Years on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:46:20 PM PST

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        •  And while it isn't true of all homicides, it (1+ / 0-)
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          appears that an overwhelming number of these mass shootings are perpetrated by young males...many of whom appear to have had identified psychological issues.

          The gun is certainly the instrument, but the cause?  Mental health processes and programs in this country do not appear to be adequate.

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          by Boris49 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:03:49 PM PST

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      •  "Solving" mental illness (7+ / 0-)

        is a lot harder than trying to take some sensible steps to prevent so many guns being so easy to obtain.

        And blaming the mentally ill is easy and convenient, but often not applicable.  Gun crimes are committed every day by perfectly sane people.  And there are plenty of kossacks with mental health issues, but they somehow manage not to shoot up schools.

        •  Plus, the problem is (2+ / 0-)
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          are people like this shooter really mentally ill? We tend to say so, because to most sane people someone who does this must necessarily be insane.

          People who do things like this tend to have what the trade calls "antisocial personality disorders" which is the new term for what used to be called psychopath, and then sociopath. They are people who lack the ability to empathize with other people. To be clear, not all people with antisocial personality disorders are mass murders, but many mass murderers do have antisocial personality disorders.

          The problem is, is this really a mental illness? A friend of a friend works for a state agency as a psychiatrist who evaluates people for mental illness for trial. He was firmly in the belief that there are people with mental illness, and there are people who lack empathy and are, as he put it, just dangerous assholes, e.g. people with antisocial personality disorder.

          Either way, what do we do with these people? We might be able to identify who they are, but unless they commit a crime we can't throw pre-emptively in prison. The situation is fraught with problems.

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          by zaynabou on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:15:23 PM PST

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        •  who is blaming the mentally ill? (0+ / 0-)

          identifying and helping people before they snap and hurt people is a hard problem, but it is still the problem.

      •  or rage and hate and not being able or not (2+ / 0-)
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        willing to control that rage and having no coping mechanisms in place to deal with feelings of rage and hatred.  

        As most mentally ill people are not violent at all, we worry more about suicide than them becoming homicidal.

        But people often turn a blind eye to rage as it escalates and people acting on their rage.

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        by wishingwell on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:33:23 PM PST

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      What do you want to talk about instead?

      •  Exactly what the president said in his speech (0+ / 0-)

        I get the fear that if you say "now is not the time" it will never be talked about. But I also do happen to think as the tragedy is unfolding, isnt the right time for the PRESIDENT to talk about this.

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