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  •  OK wounded the rest of what I said stands (1+ / 0-)
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    we need to have a discussion about ALL of the problem not just the gun part

    The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

    by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:39:03 PM PST

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    •  That distinction between killed and hurt... (2+ / 0-)
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      animal mother, Be Skeptical

      between America and China...

      is rather crucial, don't you think?

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:47:49 PM PST

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      •  Not to the point I was trying to make. (0+ / 0-)

        The point was we need to have this discussion about all the problem not just the gun part.

        The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

        by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:01:30 PM PST

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        To pretend that injury vs. death is not an important distinction is to be untethered from reality. I'll take my chances in a room with a crazy man armed with a knife. Guns change the equation completely, so it's not just about mental illness.

      •  The distinction is crucial (1+ / 0-)
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        And I agree that stricter gun laws are needed. Still stricter gun laws don't address the root causes behind these incidents. Until we change our national priorities, we will see more and more of this sort of thing.

        The underlying issue is that this country glorifies violence over human life - and that starts right at the top with our government's warmongering approach to dealing with the rest of the world as well as it's proclivity to resort to violence and torture of its own citizens while failing to address human needs. Americans who murder innocent men, women and children overseas are called "heroes." Presidents who order such killings are called "leaders." People who need mental health care are denied it. Poor people are poor because they're "lazy and worthless."

        Quoting from The Spirit Level by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett: "In summary, we can see that the association between [income] inequality and violence is strong and consistent; it's been demonstrated in many different time periods and settings. Recent evidence of the close correlation between ups and downs in inequality and violence show that if inequality is lessened, levels of violence also decline. And the evolutionary importance of shame and humiliation provides a plausible explanation of why more unequal societies suffer more violence."

        “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

        by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:25:17 PM PST

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