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  •  Had the misfortune of listening to Fox.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Loge, shaharazade

    at work, that was the station someone tuned into to follow the story. Anyways, they were already banging the "guns don't kill people" drum. Refreshingly, they WERE talking about reforming how we deal with the nation's mental health services.

    I don't believe guns are to blame, you don't blame the car because the drunk behind the wheel swerved into oncoming traffic. I blame the obviously insane person who thought it was a good idea to shoot up an elementary school.

    However, Someone sold that madman guns. Someone sold him ammo, staggeringly destructive weapons were available to this man. That has to stop. This isn't even the first time! it's not even the 50th! this keeps happening, and we keep selling weapons to people with no rational need for them, much less people who are mentally unstable. That has to stop, it is not unreasonable to demand real, effective restrictions on firearm sales and availability to the general public. It is unreasonable to continue as we have been, selling guns to madmen.

    "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

    by sixeight120bpm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:25:54 PM PST

    •  It's not "refreshingly" (10+ / 0-)

      regarding the mental health thing.  They don't give two flying fucks about mental health; they're right wingers.  It's just the talking point du jour to get people away from blaming guns or gun culture.

    •  Fails badly (4+ / 0-)

      here's the thing, when the NRA vision of guns works, it works well.  Those isolated cases of people deterring crime for reals, not just the stand-your-ground type paranoid fears, with guns.  But when it doesn't work, when the model of dispersed gun ownership as a public safety measure, shall we say backfires, we get this.  

      It's like saying the Corvair was a good car because most of the time it didn't explode.  (This is how my dad feels about his old Corvair.)

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:41:39 PM PST

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      •  My republican friend said (0+ / 0-)

        "...and yet this never seems to happen in Red states.  When's the last time this happened in Alabama or Texas?"

        This is not what the Left needs right now - a deeply heart-felt rallying point on which the GOP can build momentum and stage a comeback in 2014.  A distraction from all the reasons that voters supported Dems in 2012.  Let's just mourn and get back to business.  I'm convinced the kind of gun laws we could pass in the US could do nothing to stop this sort of thing.  And,...

        I have seen first hand how the gun people can upend an election.  In my state legislative district in PA in 2010, the gun lobby brought down a 20-year, popular incumbant Dem (Dave Levdansky), in favor of a nut-job on the far right fringe (Rick Saccone).  Saccone won by 130 votes.  In 2012, Saccone defeated Levdansky again, by about 100 votes, even though most of his district went fro Obama.  The gun people vote, and they vote loudly.

        I'm old enough to remember when PA was a Reagan Democrat state.  I remember the gun control issue was HUGE back then.  Even my dad, a true union steelworker, Roosevelt Dem, voted  for Reagan.  He was a bigtime hunter and anti-gun control voter.  We had the NRA sticker on our pick-up (before pick-ups became a fashion statement).

    •  Ain't nothing refreshing about it. (2+ / 0-)
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      annieli, gramofsam1

      It's just an NRA talking point that Fox agrees with.

      Refreshingly, they WERE talking about reforming how we deal with the nation's mental health services.
      Fox is a republican station.  Where are the republican politicians writing bills and spending money on mental health?  

      Convenient but bogus talking point.

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