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  •  And.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....the NRA isn't a domestic terrorist group as well? If this question was openly voiced in public, NRA membership would crash....

    •  well. no. (3+ / 0-)
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      look, i can't stand them, i think their reasoning / excuses are consistently specious and disingenuous, and they are a completely non-constructive presence in american politics.

      but, no, i think making the case for the nra as a "domestic terrorist group" is a total non-starter.

      "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

      by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:37:28 PM PST

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      •  They support.... (0+ / 0-)

        ....putting weapons of mass destruction in the hands of lunatics. Why is this not the epitome of a terrorist organization?

        •  ok, we're done here. (0+ / 0-)
          they support putting weapons of mass destruction in the hands of lunatics.
          to repeat my stance: the NRA can blow me.

          but that, right there, is raw, unbridled hyperbole. which, imho, is NOT what is called for today. ymmv, but i'm done here.

          "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

          by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:47:17 PM PST

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        •  cls - comparing a semi-automatic assault (1+ / 0-)
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          weapon with chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons is complete nonsense. The term "weapons of mass destruction" has a specific meaning and that meaning does not include hand held semi-automatic rifles. The President has committed the US to engage in Syria if the government uses "weapons of mass destruction". Would you favor using your description for that conflict as well?

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:27:16 PM PST

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          •  Oh yes.... (0+ / 0-)

            ...the left only should speak in sensible, non-inflammatory language because the nuts NEVER speak in hyoerbolic terms. Yes, I'll remember that in future. Oh, and thank you for pointing out the fallacy of my argument. I feel so badly about it, I will never challenge the righteousness of the NRA cause again. It would be ill-mannered. We can't have that.

          •  How about weapons of mass murder? (1+ / 0-)
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            WMDs implies complete destruction of both people and property over a vast area in a very short amount of time.  

            Weapons of mass murder kill large numbers of people in a generally more enclosed / smaller area.  

            Assault rifles, large magazines - who the hell actually needs a 100 round magazine for ANYTHING, unless you're on the ground in Afghanistan?  

            Get the assault weapons ban back, start gun buy backs again.  Require a tax on ammo and to show ID for recording keeping of who is buying ammo, and how much.  Ammo sellers should file reports on how much they are selling and if they see the same ID popping up repeatedly, it should be flagged.  We've all got a right to privacy, but it's like free speech - you can't yell fire in a crowded building - there have to be some regulations that keep us from hurting each other with our rights and thinking we can just do whatever we want.  

            With rights come responsibilities.  Regulations don't violate my rights to keep a gun, if I'm willing to acknowledge that most people would want to know if I, as their neighbor, was stockpiling.  If I'm not a cop or in the military, do I need 10,000 rounds of ammo?

            If I'm a target shooter and I need more than some established maximum before I get reported, I should be willing to accept that and report that I need to practice for the Olympics so I need to buy 500 bullets a week - or something.  If you have a gun where you have to clean up your brass after shooting, you should have to turn that brass in for recycling and to get another box of bullets.  Yes, I've used up all my bullets, here is my brass (or my nickel casings), now I need another box of bullets... yeah, reloaders will be ticked, but tax them, too - tax all parts of all kinds of ammo - balls, shells, powder, brass or nickel casings... whether you're a re-enactor with a musket or somebody with a Lady Glock.  Police departments can get a sales tax waiver from the state.  

            Permits should be renewable more often than they are now (in Florida it's every 5 years).  If a registered gun owner with permits fails to renew, I want the Sheriff's department to find out why.  Did they move away?  Did they die?  If they died, where are their guns?  

            I inherited my dad's guns and to this day, 5 years later, with his CWP expired 4 years ago, not one damn person has contacted either me or my mother to find out where dad's guns are - they're not even in the same county any more.  I don't have a permit and I haven't felt any urge to get one.  They are just locked up and put away.  But I think I will call the PD tomorrow and find out how I can register them, so they know I have them and where they are.  And I'll inform the Sheriff's department in my dad's county, whether they want to know or not, that I have them now.  They're just .38 pistols - not semi-automatics, not assault rifles.  They hold 6 bullets each and I have to pop them open and push out the casings to reload.  

            But they need to be registered - if I'm going to demand more regulation, then I need to be willing to step up and comply with it - there has to be a balance between my right to privacy and my right to bear arms - if I have to give up some info and comply with some regulations to balance those rights, that's what I have to do.

            I also have the right to give up my guns and keep everything about my life private by not having to give up info or comply with rules because I own guns.  But that's the choice I need to make - which right do I place more importance on and which right gets pushed around a little so that whichever rights I'm exercising aren't infringing on the rights of others.  I am not alone on this planet - if I'm any kind of human being, I have to consider the rights of others, just as they should be considering mine.  

            "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

            by Ricochet67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:21:41 PM PST

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