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  •  agree re: the object (4+ / 0-)

    but what i glean about those folks is their unwillingness to own any sense of being part of the solutions.   too easy to just blame someone else for all of our collective failures.

    i'm a small fry, so i could easily make POTUS the big guy who has to solve everything by himself.  because.  and all that.

    fuck that.  i own my voice and i'll make sure the POTUS hears it.  and when that happens and enough of our voices are heard we get bonuses like Senator Elizabeth Warren.   "and we built that" (the Senator part, anyway!)   :-)

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:22:13 PM PST

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    •  I come from a fundamental respect for the (9+ / 0-)

      president. Many of the commentators here don't. They talk about him the way Simon Legree would talk about his
      toilet-cleaning custodian. They talk about him as if he's dog shit on their shoes. They lose me from the get-go, and instead get contempt rather than a rational, civil discussion we could have as allies.

      And this many times is where the left falls down. They don't know how to create and maintain allies. The idea is to get people on your side, not blow them away from the starting line.

      Start with respect, and move on from there by seeing your potential ally as a human being.  

      "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

      by Wildthumb on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:37:38 PM PST

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      •  he is an object to some, (4+ / 0-)

        and one without a brain or heart.  to me, he is a pol (experienced at strategy) and he is also human (capable of making a mistake and learning from or not learning from it).  i tend to think those who don't know that about someone else don't know that about themselves, so and i can easily dismiss their opinions about important events of the day.  

        blame is just bullshit.  we just proved the Koch Brothers couldn't buy an election.  i still detest the Koch Brothers, but i can't blame them for buying an election that they couldn't buy.  (even if they go on funding state races and gerrymandering and etc that they will surely continue to do).  

        so, we just proved the power of our voices.  i'm with Kos when he says we'll be talking about this election for a long time.  in the short term, i just hope "we" as a collective remember how and why we won.

        we were progressive on the issues, we backed one another's issues and we made sure our voices were heard.

        /soapbox.   sleepytime tea served for all.

        "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

        by kj in missouri on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:53:26 PM PST

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      •  oh, and i respect PBO (2+ / 0-)
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        what he has done with his life, enormously.
        i respect his intellect, his vision and his ability to become President in my lifetime, let alone four years after 2004 and eight years after Selection 2000.

        "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

        by kj in missouri on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:11:12 PM PST

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