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  •  Perhaps you would like (3+ / 0-)
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    to read my diary.  Gun regulation is included in the sentences.  If you are talking about complete abolition of weapons -- then, I'm guessing you will be on the side yapping against the NRA.

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    by gchaucer2 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:25:02 PM PST

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    •  cute (11+ / 0-)

      i read it.

      The tightest gun laws in the world won't stop the violence if we ignore poverty, poor education and mental health/illness crises in this country.
      actually, they will. they do in the rest of the developed world.

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      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:27:09 PM PST

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      •  Thank you. (9+ / 0-)

        This is about guns. Yes, it's also about other issues, but at the forefront it's really about guns.

        And I say this as someone who's spent most of his adult life either working with young children in education or in mental health.

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by progressivist on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:42:11 PM PST

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      •  Yeah (4+ / 0-)
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        That works so well for Mexico (yes, that was sarcasm). They have some pretty hefty limits on gun ownership. They also have a shitload of poverty, poor education, and plenty of mental health/illness crises too.

        Addressing one issue without addressing the others doesn't help.

      •  I think there are better social systems (3+ / 0-)
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        in place for those who have mental illnesses, or else perhaps these folks are, in some areas, simply shunned.

        Certainly if you look to many developing nations, you won't see the same sorts of mass murders there despite gun prevalence conjoined with mental health rates and also poor mental health care.

        So I have to really pause and think why this is, rationally, and my only answer is that generally our society is such a bedroom community that we don't pay much attention to those crying out for help.

        The one thing I notice that is different about the U.S. is that we are not tuned in with others around us, half of us don't know our neighbors or the people around us, and we seem to think that we should stay out of one anothers' business which is antithetical to how most of the world (with a few exceptions of course) thinks. I think this is a source of a lot of our issues, to be blunt.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:02:17 PM PST

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        •  having been all over europe (3+ / 0-)
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          i think that is a gross simplification. people in big cities there are no different than people in big cities here. even in most small towns, people aren't much different. and some developing nations do have high murder rates, while some don't. but of developed nations we stand alone. people are looking for excuses because they don't want to look at the obvious.

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          by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:09:52 PM PST

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          •  I disagree (3+ / 0-)
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            although I wasn't really thinking about Europe.

            It may be a gross oversimplification, but it's an important consideration for anyone who actually does want to see a decrease in gun violence. The vast majority of mass murderers are lone wolves or are ignored. In some societies, that flies under the radar. In others, it doesn't. In America, it's exceptionally easy to go unnoticed by other human beings. Is this a factor? I think it may be a factor in a lot which is wrong with the U.S., including our high rate of depression in general.

            To not discuss all aspects of this is, in my view, negligent.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

            I like the Mother Jones article this links to:

            http://www.motherjones.com/...

            It shows how many mass shootings have occurred in the U.S. and is the most comprehensive map (according to the article) ever created. If you click each one, you can see more about these particular stories. There are some patterns, and this to me seems to be one of them and thus worth thinking about.

            I'd say others, along with gun legislation issues, are mental health care access, paramilitarism in our police force, and the other factors the diarist mentions as well.

            I fear that if we don't discuss all of these, we will not see any improvement in this situation. As a mother, it terrifies me to think of this not being comprehensively addressed.

            But for now, I will return to the diary at hand.

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            by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:20:48 PM PST

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            •  ezra's post pretty much proves my point (3+ / 0-)
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              and the one clear pattern is that the shooters had easy access to guns. as i said, european cities and european small towns are not substantially different than ours. europe has all the same social dysfunctions we have. europeans don't have our staggering rates of gun deaths. they don't have guns. it's not complicated.

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              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:36:30 PM PST

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              •  Bit simplistic to say (1+ / 0-)
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                "one clear pattern."

                Europe isn't America in many, many ways.

                Again, I wasn't thinking of Europe so much as places where guns are readily available and yet school shootings were rare.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                Few are on this list. Why not?

                Serbia hasthe second highest per capitaand most liberal gun ownership laws in the world. So why aren't there more mass Serbian school shootings? Switzerland is fourth. Why don't the Swiss commit an equal degree of mass murders? Saudi Arabia is fifth. Again, why? What is the difference here? Why don't these countries have proportionally representative levels of mass murders?

                I think it need not be overly simplified if we care about stopping gun violence in the U.S.. If a disease needs medication, be sure your diagnosis is correct first or else the cure could be a stopgap measure. Whatever one supports, I think we need to be careful to properly assess what is wrong with America in full; otherwise, we may not find a strong solution even with increased gun regulation. We'll just wind up with more single-shot murders. To me, that's not acceptable.

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                by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:53:15 PM PST

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