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  •  Why not (18+ / 0-)

    recognize it for what it is? It is a fetish for a great number of people. It is perfectly appropriate to call them out.

    Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

    by ask on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:17:51 AM PST

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    •  Yes by all means do and get no where in this (1+ / 0-)
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      discussion. Let the NRA whip them up and you feed their concerns, you prove the NRA talking points. Do you want to solve the problem or be right at all costs. You may not understand why people have guns, you don't have to. You only have to respect the fact that the vast majority of them are ordinary people, good people. In fact you might want to check out a diary on the rec list, one of those gun fetishist you are so concerned about. Get to know that person, he is a good guy and wants the killings to stop too.

      The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

      by cherie clark on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:26:19 AM PST

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      •  My home town (11+ / 0-)

        was host to the largest arms manufacturer in my home country. From hand guns to sophisticated guided missiles. I was a pretty decent marksman during my military service. Later, as an officer in the reserves, I was obliged to keep an automatic rifle at home. I was very happy when I could finally hand it back.

        I recognize that some people enjoy hunting. Pistols, revolvers and assault rifles are not appropriate for that purpose and with very few exceptions, I consider ownership of such weapons as part of a fetish.

        Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

        by ask on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:44:04 AM PST

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        •  I agree with assault rifles that ban needs to be (6+ / 0-)

          reauthorized. I have had people tell me that they need 30 round plus clips for target practice. Really? I own guns have all my life, do target shooting as well. It is a miniscule inconvenience compared to the damage done when those clips can fall into the wrong hands.

          The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

          by cherie clark on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:51:45 AM PST

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          •  Since you personalize the issue, please allow me (8+ / 0-)

            to personalize the issue.  No one is trying to take away your guns.  Enjoy them, for what it's worth.  But the rest of us have rights as well.  

            Little children have the right to be free from fear that they will be slaughtered when they go to 1st grade on Monday.  Middle School and High school students should not have to fear that they will be slaughtered because some angry young student got guns from his parents who owned them legally.  I have a right to teach and not be afraid that some student will rush into my classroom with his assault rifle and shoot me in the face.  My daughter has the right to go to the mall without worrying that someone with a gun will start shooting into a store.  My sons have the right to attend a midnight movie without fear that someone will walk into the theater and shoot them in the back of the head.  

            But you know, we all have to suffer, because we want you to enjoy your freedom to keep your guns...

            There is no country in the world where the citizens are so well armed.  There is no country in the world (not in the throes of a civil war) where so many people have died as a result of mass shootings.  

            But hey, sometimes the tree of liberty must be refreshed by the blood of its citizens and Lord knows, we all want you to have the freedom to keep your guns....

            There is not one, let me repeat--not one mass shooting that has been thwarted or interrupted because someone in the crowd had a gun and used it on the shooter...

            But hey, by all means, your feeling of safety trumps mine every time...you need to carry your guns wherever you want to...your freedom is important...

            And oh, yes, the NRA has the right to keep on promoting fear that the world will come to an end if gun toting Americans have to give up owning a gun because, you know, the 2nd amendment is the hinge-pin of our country's freedom.  I mean, without it, where would we be?  

            Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. ~Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler

            by Tchrldy on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:24:41 PM PST

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      •  We've tried being nice (2+ / 0-)
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        for a long time.
        And here we are.

        A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:37:36 PM PST

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      •  first steps (2+ / 0-)
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        I want an assault weapons ban.  They make about as much sense for "the right to bear arms" as do nuclear weapons.  Neither should be in the hands of citizens.

        But, I agree that as much as I don't like the NRA, I would like to see any first steps to start making owning a gun a more serious issue.  Anything to slow it down.  Police officers need to go through vetting, education, and training in order to carry a gun.  They are required to learn how to secure a gun.  The mother of the gunman owned guns legally.  Did she have them secured or were they easy access for her son?  There was another shooting where the guns were stolen from a home.  Was there a better way to secure them?  Of course this will not cure everything and make guns safe (oxymoron) but right now hearing the CNN guy say that he was able to go into a store and come out 20 minutes later with a semi automatic using only a driver's license....it is just ridiculous.  Let's start with the guidelines used for police officers as our baseline.  To get a driver's license, you have to pass a test both written and in practice.  We could do something more to make gun ownership less like owning a toy and more like a huge responsibility and liability.  Maybe you have to carry insurance to cover victim's loss.  That would let insurers create hoops to make you less of a liability.  I need insurance for a car.  How is a gun less dangerous than a car?

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