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  •  No. (0+ / 0-)

    Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

    by mungley on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:42:04 PM PST

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    •  Now you've got me curious. (4+ / 0-)
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      Why not?

      •  That's a red herring. (5+ / 0-)

        The root causes of violence have nothing to do with the facility with which a person can commit mayhem with a gun.

        Enough people are killed accidentally with gins each year, that it is still a problem of epidemic proportions.

        Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

        by mungley on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:48:06 PM PST

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        •  If they're killed with gins (1+ / 0-)
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          we need better distilleries.

          The root causes of violence have nothing to do with the facility with which a person can commit mayhem with a gun.
          But they have everything to do with WHY they do it.

          Nothing technological prevented what happened in that Aurora theater from happenning t a 1955 showing of "Rebel Without A CAuse."

          Why didn't these things happen then?

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          by kestrel9000 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:52:31 PM PST

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          •  Sorry. I got my alcohol rant and my gun rant (1+ / 0-)
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            mixed up.

            Nothing technological prevented what happened in that Aurora theater from happenning t a 1955 showing of "Rebel Without A CAuse."
            1.) Did anyone have easy access to the kinds of weapons that were used in Aurora in 1955?

            2.) Batman sucked and James Dean was awesome (snark, and I have not seen the Batman movie from this year.)

            3.) We were probably just as violent (or more so) in 1955, just less lethal. Domestic violence was more prevalent, yet fewer people died therefrom.

            Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

            by mungley on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:06:42 PM PST

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            •  Answer to #1 (0+ / 0-)

              Yes. Weapons just as capable were as easily available, if not more so, then. Ever heard of an M-1? Or a 1911 .45 pistol?

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              by kestrel9000 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:20:58 PM PST

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              •  And full body armor? How much did the guns cost? (2+ / 0-)
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                How were they distributed?

                What are the sales statistics for 1955 vs 2012?

                What was the post WWII mental health system like for veterans?
                What was it like for just plain assholes with guns?

                The guy in aurora had protective gear that did not exist in 1955.
                He was also not going to be stopped by another movie goer with a handgun.

                How did one acquire an M1 in 1955?

                Does the 1966 mass shooting at the University of Texas come close enough to your arbitrary date?

                That guy bought a gun at Sears with the intent of committing murder.  He had faced court martial for offenses including violent threats against a fellow service member.  Selling him guns was a bad idea.

                It is guns that are the cause of guns deaths. Gun facilitate death.

                It's is silly to attempt to stamp out anger in order to prevent gun deaths. That's a waste of time, and a guarantee that more innocent blood will be shed because gun fetishists are too ashamed of their own failings to realize that they are destroying our society.

                Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

                by mungley on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:59:57 PM PST

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        •  Ah, I see. (1+ / 0-)
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          I agree with you, in the main, but I was intrigued by your one word shut down.

          I'm not so sure that a general discussion of the root causes of violence in this country wouldn't be a better way to address this issue than the "he did it first" kind of arguments we get, both in politics and on this forum.

        •  By an awful coincidence, just yesterday in China (8+ / 0-)

          there was also an attack in an elementary school.

          The weapon there was a knife.

          The number of victims was quite similar to CT, and no doubt the attacker was equally dedicated, equally deranged.

          No one died.

          That's a rather telling difference, wouldn't you say?

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:56:47 PM PST

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        •  You know what else (0+ / 0-)

          I think is a red herring---mungley: blaming all this on the mentally ill.

          Granted---- mentall illness DOES play a part in things like this--- but here's the rub:

          We have always had mentally ill people---what we haven't always had----are lax permissive gun laws--and easy access to guns.

          We willl always have mentally ill people--no matter how good diagnosis is---no matter how good treatment is---no matter how good procedure is----the mentally ill will always be with us.

          What we need to address--- is the easy access to guns in this country.

          It is the guns.

          "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

          by lyvwyr101 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:27:18 AM PST

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