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  •  it happens all the time (4+ / 0-)
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    As described by FairVote.org, there have been 157 faithless Electors in US history. Oh, 71 of them were actually Electors who died between Election Day and the meeting of the Electoral College, but that still leaves 86 who showed up but didn't vote for the person who won the election in their state.

    To say nothing of the fact that the National Popular Vote movement, which I support, would necessitate having some entire state delegations of Electors vote for someone other than the person who won in their state.

    Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -- K.Marx A.Lincoln

    by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:43:02 PM PST

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    •  Call the FBI. Give them the letter. (8+ / 0-)

      It IS a big deal, and it is a threat.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:49:55 PM PST

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      •  it's a state matter (3+ / 0-)

        The only law I'm being asked to consider violating is a Washington law. And it's a civil statute, not a criminal one. It's of no concern to the FBI.

        And it can't conceivably be treason ... one cannot commit treason against the state of Washington.

        There is no federal statute that relates in any way whatsoever to the actions of Electors as they carry out their role in the Electoral College. In 21 states, there aren't any state laws about it either. In 27 states and DC, faithless Electors are liable for civil fines ... if the state chooses to attempt to impose them (which it almost never does). And in MI and MN, Electors who don't vote as pledged simply have their votes declared invalid by the state.

        IOW, there's no threat, no intimidation, no violation of any law.

        Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -- K.Marx A.Lincoln

        by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:15:20 PM PST

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        •  NO. JeffW is correct. (2+ / 0-)
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          If you're so sure no law of any kind is violated, as you detail here, why did you post the diary?

          If what you say is true, you should indeed report it to the FBI and let THEM determine whether there is a violation of federal law.

          Otherwise, delete the diary.

          •  why did I post??? (5+ / 0-)
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            Who are you to demand that I justify my decision to write a diary? Why would I have to justify it to anyone whatsoever?

            But, silly me, I will anyway:

            • I'd long planned to preview my upcoming solemn duty as part of the Electoral College.
            • I thought the tale of the oddball letter would be a good "hook".
            • I found the very idea that someone believed they could convince a Democrat committed enough to be an Elector to do something as ridiculous as vote for Romney highly amusing, in a sardonic sense.

            I have never, not even for a microsecond, perceived the slightest whisper of a threat in this letter.

            It will be interesting to hear what my fellow Electors/Alternates have to say about the letter (I'm assuming that all 332 Democratic Electors and their Alternates got the same letter, but maybe I'm wrong).

            Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -- K.Marx A.Lincoln

            by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:24:58 PM PST

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            •  Thus, all you are doing is promoting your (0+ / 0-)

              status as an elector, not actually writing about any real issue. You should delete the diary. It reflects poorly on you, and does not advance any interests of this site or the Democratic Party.

              Sorry to sound harsh.  It's not personal.  I just think you're making a big error in judgment here.

              •  I disagree entirely (4+ / 0-)

                N is documenting his role in the electoral process, and a doubtless well-meaning but deluded attempt to subvert his vote.  He appears to know his law, civics and history and has provided us a lesson in each.  I see no "big error in judgement" on his part.  And yes, your comment does seem both harsh and mean-spirited, at least to me.

                Tony.

                quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- Juvenal VI, 347-8

                by golem on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:28:31 AM PST

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