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  •  Wow! Dakota to Eagle… (6+ / 0-)

    With Nimrods, Canberras, and Aardvarks in between.

    That single seater at about 1:10 in the second video, circling the aerodrome, was pulling some Gs!


    •  THAT, my friend, is NO single-seater.. (7+ / 0-)

      ..THAT is the pride of the RAF (and the RN), its a TWO-seat Buccaneer BOMBER. The bane of the threat sites AND the Eagle drivers at Red Flag! The pilot was handling it pretty conservatively, since I have seen video from Nellis of pairs WEAVING at 500mph plus at 50 feet. NO lock-ons capable, guys manning threat sites giving up and screaming 'LOOK at THIS M...F..!'

      Yep...utterly magnificent.

      To give you some idea. The Buccaneers of No 12 Squadron ('Shiny Twelve' in the RAF) with a fearsome history, had been held back in the UK when Gulf One started. Finally, the Tornado drivers had to admit that their laser 'spot & track' kit couldn't hack it, and '12' were called for to spot for the Paveway ordnance (and later bomb their own targets).

      The CO of '12' walked into Officers Mess on arrival and announced 'Gentlemen! 12 Squadron is here, you can now go to war!'

      Heck of a 'plane! (Yes..diary coming on a Gulf War survivor!)

      'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

      by shortfinals on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 09:36:24 PM PST

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      •  I knew I was taking a chance… (3+ / 0-)

        …calling it a "single seater". It looked like a fighter from the views. Of course, being an ugly American, it's hard to identify all those "furrin" a/c in the first place…

        Conservatively? Wings vertical in a tight radius turn like that is lots of Gs. I'll give you there wasn't any jinking, and the stress on the a/c is constant, but staying awake in turns like that takes some doing.

        "Gentleman…you can now go to war" doesn't that just sound like a Tommy? And I sincerely mean that in the most profoundly respectful way.

        •  I meant 'conservatively' in the sense of ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...there was a LOT more left in the airframe! Take two un-reheated versions of the R/R Spey engine (the reheated versions were used in the F-4K, F-4M RAF/RN Phantom), put them in a SMALLER airframe, area-ruled and optimized for low-level, high G, operations, and BINGO!  'Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!'

          Given the interest, I shall MOVE UP the diary on the Buccaneer (one of my all-time favourite aircraft). I believe that my indefatigable editor, OS, has got things lined up for the next 4 or 5 days, but I shall throw the 'Buc' diary across to him in a day or so!

          Cheers (in a very Tommy-ish sort of way!) Great Grandfather fought in India in Victoria's reign; Grandfather in WW1 - died of wounds, 1919; Uncles (numerous), in WW2 - including one in the Grenadier Guards

          Motto - 'The grey geese are flying' (Let the Scots settle your wars for you!)

          'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

          by shortfinals on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:44:27 AM PST

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          •  Oh, SF, you always tickle memory tabs (2+ / 0-)
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            I wonder if you ever saw what I consider a very underrated  (actually it's 7.5 at IMdB, which is pretty high for them) and little noted film: Tunes of Glory. Alec Guinness, John Mills, Susannah York (her film debut), et al.

            From the film, at a suggestion to play "Cock of the North" at a funeral service:

            “Ah, yon's a cheesy tune. You'll no play that.”

            •  I have that DVD. (2+ / 0-)
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              Watched it with my son and DiL when they were up here last.  Son is a former military officer (Mustang officer) and I thought he was going to have a stroke when the superior officer walloped the enlisted man.  My DiL did not understand why he was so upset at a movie scene until we explained it to her.

              The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

              by Otteray Scribe on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:57:11 PM PST

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              •  It not just Military Regulations, its the question (0+ / 0-)

                ...of trust. The only culture that made a habit of abusing its own ranks in such a way is the Japanese (especially during WW2). If you read the Saburo Sakai's autobiography, 'Samurai!' it is quite open on this.

                "The petty officers would not hesitate to administer the severest beatings to recruits they felt deserving of punishment. Whenever I committed a breach of discipline or an error in training, I was dragged physically from my cot by a petty officer. 'Stand tall to the wall! Bend down, Recruit Sakai!' he would roar. 'I am not doing this because I hate you, but because I like you and want you to make a good seaman. Bend down!' And with that he would swing a large stick of wood and with every ounce of strength he possessed would slam it against my upturned bottom. The pain was terrible, the force of the blows unremitting."

                'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

                by shortfinals on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:35:08 PM PST

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            •  The late Sir Alec Guinness (AND Sir John Mills).. (1+ / 0-)
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              ...were fabulous actors. Sir Alec commanded a landing craft during the invasion of Sicily; Sir John was a Second Leiutenant in the Royal Engineers but was discharged due to a stomach ulcer.

              If you want to see the BEST of Alec Guinness, you will have to wait until the two series, 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' and 'Smiley's People'..when he IS George Smiley !

              'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

              by shortfinals on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:30:28 PM PST

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