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  •  The 2nd Amendment (7+ / 0-)

    is in the section defining states rights, it guarantees individual states the rights to have their own militia not subject to federal control. This was an important safeguard for states wary of a federal 'monarchy'.

    RKBAers have reams of NRA propaganda trying to deflect this and hide the words 'well-regulated militia'. They will descend shortly.

    •  "Decend", I've been here all day! (0+ / 0-)

      I'd love to agree with your re-interpretation of history, really but I cannot. If history were anything but what it is, then maybe.

      The founders were Englishmen that had been guaranteed that enumerated right since 1689 in their own English Bill of Rights.

      They made one exception/modification to that unalienable right 100 yrs later,  DURING Militia Service. That's the only time the government could "regulate" said arms. AND only if you were defined as an active militia member.

      The constitution didn't create that right, please understand that historical fact.  

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:23:19 AM PST

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      •  I don't understand your point. Congress has the (4+ / 0-)
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        right and mandate to pass laws that protect the wellbeing of the citizenry.

        They can ban any guns they have the will to do.

        Vote Tea Party Taliban! Bring the Burqa to America.

        by Pescadero Bill on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:42:11 AM PST

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        •  And I don't see the current House of Reps. (0+ / 0-)

          doing that.

          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:45:24 PM PST

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      •  Great NRA talking points (1+ / 0-)
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        Clever the way they try to get us to ignore the plain english language and context of the constitution and focus on a series of obscure non sequiturs. Like 'who you gonna believe, your lying eyes, or our slick expert telling what you want to hear'. It works particularly with authoritarian personality types so common around these debates.

        •  Sorry for the late reply, just saw this. (0+ / 0-)

          What's more authoritarian here if not banning things?  Do as I command and order, right??? You speak with forked tongue and imply I'm with the NRA.  

          1. I've never owned a gun
          2. I've never been a member of the NRA
          3. I'm a historian
          4. I've actually read history
          5. Said readings composed of the Ratification documents submitted to the Central Government, "that damn piece of paper", the Federalist, Anti-Federalist papers, The First Debates in Congress ON every Amendment presented as the Bill Of Rights AND the Common Law Court Decisions over the past 230 yrs.

          You need to review history at the link provided before you can accuse anyone of spewing NRA talking points.   If you do not then you are arguing from an uninformed position that holds no resemblance to actual history.

          I wish you well in your own re-education.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:00:11 PM PST

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    •  The history is as interesting as it is irrelevant (2+ / 0-)
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      If you're curious, I recommend "To Keep and Bear Arms" by Joyce Lee Malcolm.

      No, the Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, not part of the Article that defines state powers.

      Irrelevant, because even under the Heller decision Congress is allowed to pass laws short of a total ban, up to limits that will be undefined until someone tests them.

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