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  •  ammo needs to be banned. the .223 round needs to (6+ / 0-)

    be banned. The AR-15 can be adapted to fire only 3 bullets as in Germany. It can be adapted for two different types of NATO ammo as well as the .223. Banning a weapon based on its apperance is ineffective. Banning magiznes, banning semiautomatic weapons based on the fact that they are semiautomatic would be more effective. If the shooter was armed with a single shot weapon the carnage would smaller.

    But the NRA had input in committees to weaken the ban. The pro gun community neutered the bill. A weapon that reloads automatically whether semi or fully automatic should be banned as a first step. Confiscation should be the second step.

    How did we enforce the seat belt mandate. By combining it with regular police work. This can be handled in the same way.

    •  Gun Confiscation, are you serious? (0+ / 0-)

      I will not support any bill that will hand the levers of our government over to the Republicans.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:25:34 AM PST

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      •  gun confiscation and Republicans...? (3+ / 0-)
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        ...enlighten us, please.

        Cheers.

      •  Are you serious about gun violence? There was a (3+ / 0-)
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        lot of concern about what the civil rights movement would do to the Democratic Party. In 1948 Hubert Humphrey introduced a platform position to the Democratic Convention and a number of Southern delegations walked out and formed a third party. Did that mean we should not have done civil rights least we endanger the party?

        You begin by persuasion. And debate. And it will get heated. And it will take a long time. We have faced crisis like this before many times in our country. But you must do the right thing. And take a chance. And prepare for a long process. The 27th amendment was introduced on 9/25/1789. It was ratified on 5/7/1992. Took over two hundred years to pass. Slavery did not end with the civil war. It took three amendments to end slavery. And more than 100 hundred years later we are still fighting for basic civil rights for people of color.

        We must first persuade the people that this is the right thing to do. No one is coming for anyone's guns unless the repeal is ratified. The ratification process is a part of the debate. This could take 75 years or more. But this is a fight worth fighting. As was civil rights. And women's rights. And LGBTQ rights. And the New Deal. All of which carried political risk.

        •  We're long past "persuasion", they've been (0+ / 0-)

          arming themselves for 4 yrs.  And while I agree the Civil Rights movement was effective, this isn't the 60's anymore.

          We talk gun confiscation and gun control and we will never be in power again.

          How about we actually focus on restoring our social safety nets?

          How about we actually focus on becoming a community again?

          How about we actually focus on policies that will help the most Americans?

          Free mental health services, a living wage, corporate responsibility???

          Those things will cut our violent outburst in half, easily.

          Make it unnecessary for anyone to believe they actually need a firearm?  

          Teach our children reasoned logic, teach them peace.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:29:26 AM PST

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          •  If all we do is react to this outrage (0+ / 0-)

            then we'll never implement all the good ideas in the above post, because none of them would have made a difference to someone who was from a rich family.

            My point is that whatever we do, it has to be the result of working forward from our goals, not working backward from whatever the latest madman did.

    •  Would you ban revolvers? (0+ / 0-)

      They are one shot per trigger pull, no need to work a bolt or anything like that.

      •  Well, revolvers were the first semi-automatics (0+ / 0-)

        Q.E.D.

        emphasis on "Semi"

        Semi-Automatics have created a grey-area, and I don't know what the answer is to that. For waterfowl hunting, the solution was a plug for the shotgun...and they did that to discourage artillery barrages from the marshes...

        And they (revolvers) have "magazines" that are not easy to replace with higher capacity....I'd like to see a 100 round revolver, LOL....you'd need a forklift to carry it....

        Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

        by blindcynic on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:46:23 PM PST

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