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  •  Shootings in Chicago for November=192 (3+ / 0-)
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    Shootings up 49% in November

    Thelma Smith was visiting her mother's South Side home Friday night to talk about a birthday party in memory of her son, Samuel Clay, 25, who was shot and killed in April.

    After several shots rang out on the next block, Smith rushed over and discovered to her horror that another son, William Lee Martin, 30, had been slain.

    The father of six became the latest sad statistic as a violent November came to an end. Shootings jumped to 192 for the month, up 49 percent from 129 a year earlier, according to Police Department records.

    Read it and weep.  And if you think stricter gun control laws could have stopped them, you are kidding yourself.  Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation.  Criminals don't care.

    May I repeat that please?  Criminals - gang bangers - don't care!

    Let's have that discussion about gun crime violence and murder, but it better include a whole lot more than silly ineffective gun control laws.

    •  And how do all these criminals get their guns (10+ / 0-)

      in the first place? They get legal gun owners to buy them for them. Or they go to shady, but legal, gun dealers, and buy them. Only about 10-15% of guns used in crimes are actually stolen. And even illegal gun dealers use straw purchasers or purchase the guns legally, only to resell them illegally. Link

      So almost all illegal guns trace back to legal owners. Cut off the supply of legal weapons, and the supply of illegal weapons will be reduced, too.

      •  all sorts of ways to get a gun (4+ / 0-)

        local cop here used to pull people over on I-95 and find a reason to search the car (object and you will find your vehicle completely taken apart)
        If he found an unregistered handgun and nothing else, he would confiscate the gun and let you go with the stern admonition should you try to reclaim the gun, he would have to file all sorts of charges against you.  No one ever complained.

        Same cop ran a gun shop out of his trunk.  If you wanted a firearm, he could get it for you at a good price and best of all, no registration required  

        •  I hope that cop got caught--what he was doing (3+ / 0-)
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          was illegal, and he probably supplied more than a few criminals with firearms. Despicable conduct for a police officer.

          And yet here in KY, I know of more than one "upstanding" member of their community who engages in "gun trading" as a secondary form of income. They go to the flea markets, gun shows, and stock sales and do their thing--who knows how many illegal gun sales occur in this state due to this kind of thing.

      •  The same way teens (3+ / 0-)
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        get cigarettes, beer and liquor. Either some irresponsible "person of legal age" (I won't use the word adult) buys them for them or they get false ID and the clerks don't bother to check closely.

        "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

        by gritsngumbo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:24:40 AM PST

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    •  Silly? (12+ / 0-)

      Uh, try telling that to a Mom who has to bury two children this year.

      Was Adam Lanza a criminal or a gang banger? Oh, wait. He's white, so he's mentally ill. That's how the script ususally goes. The criminal gang bangers are black, brown or occasionally of Asian ancestry.

      Yeah, right. Yet, countries that have fewer guns have far fewer problems.

      :-(

    •  No one is talking about a panacea (10+ / 0-)

      "Let's have that discussion about gun crime violence and murder, but it better include a whole lot more than silly ineffective gun control laws."

      Not to mention those 'silly ineffective' murder laws, which aren't working at all. Because if they worked, there wouldn't be these murders.

      See?

      I'm pretty good at knocking down strawmen, too. Between  you and I, we could kick some serious strawman ass!

      No one is talking about eliminating crime, gun crime or otherwise. And while the bound-and-determined criminals can usually find a way to do what they want, the world is full of crime committed in the second degree, facilitated by a firearm that just happened to be there. Ask Jevon Belcher's girlfriend about that.

    •  The guns were, except for one, (5+ / 0-)

      legally owned by the shooter's mother. The Bushmaster used in the shooting was banned in CT.
      We need to talk about another assault weapons ban, and a serious one, not the BS one passed by Clinton in the 1990s.
      We could also talk about ending the drug war, which would go a long to reducing criminal activity for gangs.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:59:45 AM PST

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    •  Having grown up in a mid-sized Inner City... (9+ / 0-)

      ...a significant root cause of Urban weapon violence is economic. Always has been.

      If we are going to underfund Urban schools, accept significantly higher unemployment in "the wrong neighborhoods", etc. we must expect that some "entrepreneurial energy" is going to roughly follow basic Econ101 and explore opportunities to "maximize income and profit with minimal barriers of entry". That is the underground economy, and with no official, legally enforceable system to "regulate commerce", the various players emulate both classic Gangsters and contemporary Banksters and forcefully assert their right to "regulate themselves."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:05:02 AM PST

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