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  •  If WaPo had truthful reporting, (10+ / 0-)

    they could report on gun violence every day.  They could devote an entire page in Section A to gun carnage that happened the day before.

    But gun violence is not "news" anymore.  It's become so ubiquitous and ordinary it's no longer a "man bites dog" story unless the victims of a single incident number in the double digits and involve young children.

    However the main reason deaths by firearms are not chronicled in WaPo or any other daily journal is because no one has any idea how to stop it - not journalists, not politicians, not think tanks, no one.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:23:35 AM PST

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    •  You are caricatures.... (0+ / 0-)

      I get so tired of the bread and circuses crowd who think it's great fun to join in on the liberal-bashing of the supposedly liberal but really arch-conservative media institutions like NPR, WaPo and the NY Times.

      Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

      by FischFry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:45:52 AM PST

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      •  Please explain. nt (1+ / 0-)
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        •  OK.... (1+ / 0-)
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          It's entertainment -- a festival for liberals like the Roman circuses, where people came out to cheer for people's deaths.

          It's also ridiculously over-simplistic, but it;s a popular vibe here. You won't see a week go by without at least one Rec List diary ripping into the Post, the Times or NPR for being neo-conservative, corporatist. IT's not even that people write those lame-ass diaries -- ti's that their lapped up  by hungry dogs. Maybe, that's not even the best metaphor -- it's a bunch of liberal s getting together to congratulate themselves on how much cooler, superior and progressive they are then the supposed bastions of the liberal media. Plus, it serves to reinforce the meme that conservatives don't what they're talking about when they attack liberal bias in the media.

          It's a theme that gets repeated over and over again, but each time you get all these comments -- there were more than a few in this diary -- about how cool each of us are because we use that corporatist drivel to wrap fish in, not to find out what's happening in the world. Everyone trying to prove how cool and smart they are because they know the dirty secret that the Times and the Post aren't really liberal papers. It's oh so predictable and oh so tiresome.

          Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

          by FischFry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:20:44 PM PST

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          •  Sorry, I don't see it that way. (1+ / 0-)
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            You're right that often the WaPo, NYT, NPR, etc. are among my primary sources of information.  But I think it is perfectly legitimate to gripe when their information is cherry-picked or the judgments they profess are slanted.  The comments here are often highly specific about pointing out the cherry-picking and the slanting.  

            You are also right about this being a community of somewhat like-minded people.  That's how politics works.  If you don't band together, you cannot oppose those who do. Tough.  

            As for the "we're smarter" meme, you may find it distasteful, but I think the dKos community has been rather smart when it comes to election statistics, global warming, the relation between taxes and economics, waging war in the Middle East, and a host of other issues.  

            As to the "entertainment," I'm not sure what you mean.  People on this site get HR'd very quickly if they appear to be cheering for other people's deaths.  

    •  They did their D.C. Sniper coverage (3+ / 0-)
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      obsessing about "motive" and the imaginary "white van."

      Hasn't gotten any better.

      Every line written about "motive" or "getting back" by shooters is a misdirection. Mass murder is not like swinging a baseball bat at a crowd of bullies in 8th Grade.

      These individuals are more often psychotic than not -- far outside anything that passes for rational behavior.

      •  EXACTLY! That's why everyone talking about gun (1+ / 0-)
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        control is missing the point; we do nothing to address mental illness in this country and that's the real issue here.

        •  The two halves of the same issue. (0+ / 0-)

          Homicidal ideation + open access to guns = the problem.

          I'd be in favor of requiring any house that has a gun to have a gun safe.

          Also, for everyone in the house to pass a Mental Status exam.

          We're seeing 30,000 people a year killed. That's only addressable by restricting access to guns. We have to change.

          156,000,000 gun buys in the last fourteen years -- crazy stuff. Really, crazy.

          "We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:37:59 AM PST

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    •  This (3+ / 0-)

      Transcript:
      Tonight at ten a mass shooting at a school in Germany at least sixteen people dead
      Brooker: yes because on the same day as the peace demonstration a lone maniac in Germany went berserk with a gun killing sixteen people. This senseless tragedy
       provided material for news reports for days to follow
      First there were the initial dramatic breakdowns detailing precisely how the carnage unfolded. There was grim voyeuristic mobile phone footage of the gunman's last moments and a chilling reconstruction of a warning he apparently posted on the internet
      NEWS NARRATOR: He typed these words
      everybody's laughing at me and no one sees my potential I'm serious

      Brooker: which later turned out to be almost  certainly false, incidentally.

      The aftermath in Winninden proved so compelling for the vulture like rolling news stations they even filled air-time with things that weren't happening yet. Two days later even footage from an old ping pong tournament, in which the back of the gun man's head was vaguely visible was still considered news

      BBC Narrator: The latest pictures of Kretschmer show him playing table tennis his favorite sport

      Brooker: And 3 days later even worse footage, pixelated so that it looked like a broadcase from the ** lego dimension, well that was considered news too.

      Sky News: In the video Kretschmer shown taking part in an arm wrestling contest in Rottenburg last year

      Brooker: Yeah, I think if I squint I can just about make out the face of a killer. Isn't the news Brilliant.

      Repeatedly showing us a killers face isn't news it's rubber necking.
      What's more the sort of coverage only serves to turn his
      murderous little twat into a sort of nihilistic pin up boy.

      One thing the news kept plaintively asking was just why this had happened,

      BBC Narrator:  What had triggered in the mind of a seemingly normal teenager, such fury and alienation

      Brooker: Well if you want to know why, why not ask a  forensic psychiatrist

      psychiatrist : we've had twenty years of mass murderers throughout which I have repeatedly told c_n_n_ and our other media if you don't want to propagate more mass murders don't start this story was sirens blaring

      News Narrator: Background noise (sirens) The school day had only just begun when the attacker struck

      psychiatrist : Don't have photographs of the killer

      Narrator: The seventeen-year-olds three hour rampage which ended in his own death

      psychiatrist : Don't make this twenty four seven coverage

      SKY News Announcer: The German Chancellor is about to give  her reaction, we will bring that to you live.

      psychiatrist : Do everything you can not to make the body count the lead story

      BBC News Narrator: Carnage in the classroom sixteen people are dead

      psychiatrist : Not to make the killer some kind of anti-hero

      NewsNarrator: Dressed in black combat gear the gun man opened fire at random.

      psychiatrist: Localize this story to the affected community and make it as boring as possible in every other market because every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder we expect to see one or two more within a week but

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