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  •  The other part to this: Ammo.... (19+ / 0-)
    Officers searched the home, finding 47 guns and ammunition worth more than $100,000 hidden throughout the home. Many of the weapons were collector's guns.
    At what point do questions start to be asked as one continues to buy more????
    •  So there's just no limits (7+ / 0-)

      On how much ammo and gun powder anybody can buy?  It's not monitored at all?  I really don't know and am curious.

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:08:49 AM PST

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      •  There are limits on gunpowder (8+ / 0-)

        In California, for example, the limit is so low that historical reenactments need a federal permit and an ATF or FBI agent to be present.

        Bullets? No limit.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:02:38 PM PST

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        •  Is there a fee for the agent? What happens? nt. (1+ / 0-)
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          I mean, I'm not necessarily sure that I'm opposed, given all of the cross-border violence that we could be facing.  But that's an interesting regulatory regime.

          "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

          by auron renouille on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:23:16 PM PST

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          •  Er, no NT there. There's a there there. (0+ / 0-)

            It may be time for my Sunday nap ;p.

            "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

            by auron renouille on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:23:42 PM PST

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          •  The intent was to address pipe bomb crazies (1+ / 0-)
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            The legislation was written in haste, apparently. They spent lots of time of details for different types of powder and different needs. But they didn't address everything.

            The limits are set for black powder and a few varieties of smokeless powder. There are limits on possession, sale, storage, security, ages, licensing, etc. It's horribly complicated.

            The reenactors in CA are screwed because of a prohibition to share black powder and a limit on the amount of powder that can be collected in one place or by a group or club. Oddly, black powder is more restricted than higher-potency smokeless powder.

            Smokeless is more appropriate for reloaders, commonly used by trap shooters and competition loads. Shooting ranges have to keep limited quanitities in tight, locked cases, and there's a maximum amount allowed in a single building, for example. This makes a lot of sense to me.

            This wasn't a welcome expense for a lot of clubs and dealers that run on shoestring budgets, of course, but the NRA lost this fight. A rash of mailbox pipe bombs in the 90's overrode their objections.

            I'm not opposed to restrictions, either. It makes sense that a teenager can't just pick up a few cans of black powder at the hardware store. I've bought black powder myself when I was a child. When the men are out in the back 40 removing tree stumps, the easiest way to lossen them is to drill and fill with explosives. These days, you need a federally licensed demolition expert to do this sort of thing. And you can't send your kid to the hardware store to buy more powder.

            The requirements are very different in each state. Some states accommodate reenactors and so-called wild west shows. These events prefer black powder because it produces a lot of smoke.

            But it's dangerous to make smoke and noise with an antique flintlock musket. I've never been to one where there isn't an ambulance and fire equipment present.

            I think that CA has amended this law by now. They were working on it a couple of years ago.

            To answer your original question, yes, the event has to pay for all the extra services. It's not unlike staging a parade or a block party. Police, traffic, safety, port-o-potties, etc. Municipal ordinances specify all this stuff.

            It's not free, generally.

            Too many words. But it's an appropriate example of reasonable gun safety regulations. And that's what this is all about. Not gun control. Gun safety and public safety.

            "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

            by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:27:47 PM PST

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      •  You can't stock up on cold medicine (2+ / 0-)
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        but go to town with the ammo, dude!

        An unsuccessful shoe bomb attack resulted in nine years of inconvenience for every flier in the country. It would be nice to think [this diabolical act] might lead to some similar inconveniences. --mrblifil

        by Debby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:18:01 PM PST

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    •  Holy crap (4+ / 0-)

      Yes, its reasonable and feasible to limit the purchase of ammunition.

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:13:09 AM PST

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