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  •  I agree that it is not merely the guns - but (20+ / 0-)

    (and especially when considering assault weapons) they confer a unique capability to amplify violent, evil intent.

    Controlling or deflecting such evil intent might best start by undoing one of the most (literally) careless actions of the Reagan administration. The stripping out of social support for the mentally ill.

    What you do beyond that I leave open to discussion or suggestion.

    But, that would be an excellent start.

    •  You are getting to exactly the kinds of things (7+ / 0-)

      I'm talking about.

      Guns are an easy force multiplier, and definitely increase the danger an unhinged invidual (or fully-hinged person with malevolent intent) can pose, but, in a violent and seething society, horrible things are going to happen.

      The worst mass-murder at a school in our country's history (Bath Township, MI in 1927) was carried out with bombs, as was the single worst mass murder carried out by an American citizen on American soil (the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City).

      When I see reports of the continued decline in work opportunities, continued decline in earning power for those who work, and the trivial star system society we have built that seems to scream disrespect at people who work for an honest dollar (and forget all about those who wish they could work for one), I'm amazed this kind of thing doesn't happen more often than it does.

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      by dinotrac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:31:55 PM PST

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      •  True enough - though I see agreement between us (2+ / 0-)
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        on the core issues.

        An amplifier can be turned down. Made less potent. Whether that comes made of metal, carefully groomed in discontent borne of poverty or desperation, or inadequately treated mental illness.

        Where I see the hardest hurdle is with the implicit acceptance, expectation even, that there will be these dreadful actions happening. Perhaps regularly.

        That it is even close to normal. Here or anywhere.

        (Not suggesting that is what you in any way believe - but it is an aspect neither of us has touched upon in our comments, and it is part of the problem).

        •  Yes, and amplifier can be turned down. (0+ / 0-)

          And that's fine, but insufficient.

          I agree that actions on this scale are rare, but Americans kill each other at a dismal rate. On another thread, somebody had brought up how few gun deaths occur in Norway.  I did a little math, and it turns out that there were at least ten times more gun-deaths per gun in the US than in Norway.  That's a big difference.

          I expect that restrictions on the availability of guns would reduce shooting deaths, probably reduce overall homicides, but result in more stabbings, beatings, bombings, vehicular homicides, etc than is currently the case.  

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          by dinotrac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:25:07 PM PST

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