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  •  The President's words were powerful... (19+ / 0-)

    The assailant in this murder used a Bushmaster 223 assault rifle to pump 3 to 11 rounds into children between the ages of 6 and 7 years old.

    I'd also like to know if he had altered his assault rifle to go full automatic as it takes a gunsmith about twenty minutes to do. I struggle with the picture of a man standing over a six year old child pumping seven rounds into them.

    U.S. Constitution 2nd Amendment -

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    This amendment was never about individual gun owners as much as it is about "A well regulated Militia." I would submit that the states National Guard units fulfill the founder's intent of the 2nd amendment.

    SCOTUS agrees that constitutionally we have the right to own guns, but even Justice Scalia, the most outspoken conservative SCOTUS member says their are limits:

    Justice Scalia on 2nd Amendment Limitations: 'It Will Have to Be Decided'

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says "yes, there  are some limitations that can be imposed" on the constitutional right to  keep and bear arms. It's up to future court cases to determine what those limitations are, he said on "Fox News Sunday."

    Some  limitations "undoubtedly" are permissible, Scalia said, because limitations existed when the Constitution was written: "For example,  there was a tort called affrighting, which if you carried around a  really horrible weapon just to scare people, like a head ax or  something, that was, I believe, a misdemeanor," he explained.


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    The second amendment was never intended as a carte blanche ticket for every individual to do what ever he/she pleases when it comes to gun ownership!

    40% of gun sales in this country are through unregistered dealers who do not do background checks or impose waiting periods, many of them doing it at gun shows.

    It is time we had a national discussion on this and:

    1. Put the ban on assault weapons back in place.

    2. Restricted gun sales to licensed dealers only, and those dealers perform mandatory background check with waiting periods.

    3. The sale of over sized magazines should be restricted to military and police units.

    4. The armor piecing rounds laws need to be revised, SBR guns that fire armor piecing rounds  need to be banned.

    5. Bulk orders of ammunition need to have a mandatory wait period as well and all sales need to be through licensed and regulated dealers.

    6. The Police and Military databases need to be hooked into gun permit databases.

    They use psychological screening tests for applicants to sort out unstable candidates and this information needs to be made available to determine gun permit issuance.

    I don't think medical databases should be treated in the same way though because of the HIPPA regulations and mental disorders could become stigmatized in a very counter productive way.

    7. No cuts in Medicare or Medicaid in the fiscal cliff negotiations and mental healthcare funding should be increased.

    8. A Presidential Commission should be formed to study the effects of violence in games and cinema and their effects on behavior.

    I just finished reading the brief for: BROWN, GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA, et al. v.ENTERTAINMENT MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION et al.

    SCOTUS ruled against California and its assertion that violent computer games had a negative impact on gun violence, but after reading the brief and the evidence presented from the scientific community, this needs closer scrutiny.

    I'm a gun owner and I don't have a problem with any of this!

    •  The 2nd amendment was written (6+ / 0-)

      when flintlocks were in vogue.  I highly doubt that our founding fathers intended for everyone to have a right to own a Bushmaster .223 assault rifle.

      It's high time we amend the 2nd amendment.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:33:09 PM PST

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      •  As Scalia noted... (4+ / 0-)
        Some  limitations "undoubtedly" are permissible, Scalia said, because limitations existed when the Constitution was written: "For example,  there was a tort called affrighting, which if you carried around a  really horrible weapon just to scare people, like a head ax or  something, that was, I believe, a misdemeanor," he explained.
        Personally I find Ted Nugent waving an a machine gun on stage screaming that "President Obama should suck on this"... to qualify as "affrighting" as did the Secret Service.

        Did you know that Ted Nugent and grover Norquist both sit on the board of the NRA? True!

    •  The problem with your arguments.... (3+ / 0-)
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      actually, I can't think of anything substantial.  Well said.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:52:10 PM PST

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      •  The second amendment one (4+ / 0-)

        It is obvious that the founders wanted everyone to have the right to bear arms so they could have... well regulated state militias.

        It is not the other way around that militias exist so that everyone can own a gun and do the National Guard units within each state fulfill the role of our state militias?

        •  Militia (0+ / 0-)

          Could mean every able-bodied citizen that may be called into service -- not necessarily actively serving in a unit.  Civilian reserves, as it were.  I can see the amendment interpreted more than one way, yes.  But I think SCOTUS has more-or-less settled the question, if I'm not mistaken.

          Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

          by winsock on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:28:44 PM PST

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          •  "Well regulated" (0+ / 0-)

            And individual gun owners are "well regulated" how?

            •  or meaning "well-ordered" (0+ / 0-)

              militia.  Arms were not issued by the government to the militia (citizen soldiers) -- arms were "bring your own."  An unarmed militia would be all but useless.

              Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

              by winsock on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 08:18:56 AM PST

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              •  Or "well controlled" (0+ / 0-)

                And as I see it they are out of control.

              •  As Scalia noted... (0+ / 0-)
                Some  limitations "undoubtedly" are permissible, Scalia said, because limitations existed when the Constitution was written: "For example,  there was a tort called affrighting, which if you carried around a  really horrible weapon just to scare people, like a head ax or  something, that was, I believe, a misdemeanor," he explained.
                They never had carte blanche to do what ever they wanted and the Founders did specify what they could and could not do.
                •  The 2nd amendment (1+ / 0-)
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                  is an anachronistic albatross (depending on one's point of view) but I believe there is a huge amount of leeway as it stands to allow for stricter controls and better regulation.

                  Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

                  by winsock on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:23:46 AM PST

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