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  •  You need a license to drive a car. (13+ / 0-)

    You have your physical fitness to do so, your eyesight, assessed by a government agency. You're required to carry insurance. You need to pass an exam on physically handling a car and understanding the relevant laws.

    But to kill your own mother, six teachers and twenty toddlers, you need... what?

    Nothing.

    Fuck you, I put on pants yesterday.

    by MBNYC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 10:28:09 AM PST

    •  Yeah. At the very, very least... (3+ / 0-)
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      guns should be regulated by cars.  I don't think there's a logical argument that could be made that such actions wouldn't be part of having a "well-regulated militia."  After all, wouldn't such a militia have an idea about its armaments and that its members are qualified to capably serve?

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      by Mets102 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 10:32:07 AM PST

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      •  I really liked what Markos had to say (3+ / 0-)
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        about the way that the military - the people we pay to shoot stuff - handle their weapons. There is absolutely no reason why civilians should have access to the kind of firepower that was used on Friday, unless we're in imminent peril of invasion.

        Fuck you, I put on pants yesterday.

        by MBNYC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 10:38:32 AM PST

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    •  Driving is a privilege (0+ / 0-)

      Gun bearing is apparently a constitutional right.  So, according to current US law, any kind of restriction like that is a no go, because the people who would be prevented by, say, the lack of insurance still have a right to own the guns anyway. The assertion of rights in this regard is antithetical to any kind of regulation.   This is a MAJOR roadbock to anything most people might agree to.

      We might get 90% support for gun control, but so long as Heller and the Second Amendmen sit there, with people asserting their rights to weapons, I'm not sure much progress can be made, unless it is by making gun ownership very expensive and restricting the market and supply.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 11:11:42 AM PST

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      •  Not just 'apparently'. (1+ / 0-)
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        It is a right.

        What we need to do as a country, I'd suggest, is determine how that right can be exercised without harm to the public.

        And I say this not because of any great love for guns or the mind-set they seem to correlate with, but for the larger philosophical reason that once our government starts stripping away rights that you or me think are being misused, there's no safeguard that others might not follow.

        The war on terror has already shredded civil liberties, for example. Why? Because we let it happen, owing to fear.

        Fuck you, I put on pants yesterday.

        by MBNYC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 11:23:37 AM PST

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        •  I say apparently (0+ / 0-)

          because it is only a right under the current interpretation by the current Supreme Court.  Whether a later court may notice that there's language about a "well-regulated militia" in the text as well is open for debate.  The exact scope and meaning of the right is not fixed, but is likely to change over time.

          However, it seems fairly clear that so long as there's an individual right that "may not be infringed," realistically, gun violences and gun deaths, even from mentally ill people (who still also have that right as US citizens), is simply something that we as Americans are just going to have to get comfortable with as a "cost of doing business" in our society.

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:02:52 PM PST

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