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  •  Oh, I seem to recall that (3+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, Orinoco, this just in

    long knife wielders in Rwanda were pretty darned 'deadly efficient' not all that far back in history. But one person? Definitely the lack of a gun makes them relatively less deadly efficient.

    And come to think of it, just a minor nod to the history of concerted evil in this world could remind us that whole segments of societies can descend into murderous madness if encouraged to do so. That might be something we ought to consider when thinking up 'proper' responses to Newtown.

    •  Mobs can be deadly (2+ / 0-)
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      Joieau, blackjackal

      even if armed with nothing more than stones they pick up off the ground.

      But play this out: suppose a Rwandan had a rifle to protect his family, and shot into the mob threatening him and his wife and children. Suppose even that he killed rather than wounded several of them. Would the mob stop, drop their long knives and peaceably go back home? Somehow, I suspect that mob would become even more enraged at the loss of some of their own, and the gun wielder and his  family would still end up dead.

      There is no equivalence between a mob and an individual.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 10:48:15 AM PST

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      •  True. And in the case of (1+ / 0-)
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        American crazies, the individual can have access to much more deadly weaponry. So it takes just one, not a mob. Deal is, we sure seem to have more than our share of crazies (usually described as 'loners') who seem to believe the number of other humans they can take with them when they go somehow make a difference in their final destination.

        Or something. Don't understand how crazy people think, I've just noticed they all seem to have gone to the same crazy-school.

        •  I suspect the share of crazies (1+ / 0-)
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          is pretty similar across different societies. But in societies with strict gun laws, the crazies wind up collecting cats or empty spam cans or stacks of 'pre-approved' credit card applications.

          I think it only seems like we have more than our share because the empty spam can collectors don't wind up in national news as often, and they rarely hurt anyone, unless you count bringing down neighborhood property values.

          Even so, greedy 1% speculators did a lot more damage to neighborhood property values than crazies ever could.

          "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

          by Orinoco on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:54:18 PM PST

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          •  Was in Atlanta over the weekend, (1+ / 0-)
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            kid's entertainment at a mall big there. Lots of families and kids, didn't see any let-up in that, but people were definitely hanging on to those kids tightly and were paying attention to everything going on around them. Security was highly visible too, much more so than in the past but no one was complaining. I never shop at malls, only hang out in them while working, which is seasonal.

            What an awful, awful thing to happen during Christmas season. I hope we learn our lessons well this time, DO something about it for a change. It's a tragic loss of innocence as well as innocents.

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