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  •  People who can't think attack their opponent. (3+ / 0-)
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    There's crazy people out there on every issue.  Just ignore them and talk about what you'd like to, and more importantly why.

    Whether or not they'd like to promote their policy, or attack you, it will be clear to an audience who has the reasoned argument and who is just an idiot trying to get their way through bullying.

    The beautiful thing about our system of government is that the bully eventually loses.  The thing that is sometimes frustrating is that sometimes it feels like it takes much longer for them to lose than it should.

    But they begin to lose their power if you simply ignore them.

    •  Agree, up to a point, but society ignored the (3+ / 0-)
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      NRA and the gun industry too long, and they took and took and took, and eventually it got to the point where Bob Costas could be denounced for even the mildest comments.

      After the Oregon shooting (one of the other massacres this week) there was NO discussion of gun control at all.  The bullies and the thugs had won the debate by controlling the terms of the debate.

      Responsible debate requires recognition of one's opponents as reasonable people.  "Gun grabbers" and similar BS is not reasonable and inflammatory.   It's the kind of thing you can see in the comments at National Review and all over the place on Free Republic.

      Similarly, I would say that calling another commentator a "gun fetishist" would be on the same level, but I feel that a lot of that was a reaction to one particular recently-banned troll.  His departure may lower the level of invective around here so something reasonable could be discussed.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 02:48:50 AM PST

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    •  Paul Rogers ~ (2+ / 0-)
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      We ignored the fringe on the Right for 30+ years....and now they are pretty much running the show...

      Still think ignoring them works?

      "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

      by SaraBeth on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:54:26 AM PST

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      •  Sure it does. (0+ / 0-)

        Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone.

        Gay marriage is legal in some states.  Culture is changing so youths find the concept obviously fair.

        Two states this last election legalized pot.  Nobody, including the feds seem to think that's too big a deal.

        These battles happen in slow-motion, so it's a little frustrating to live them, but there's some things that just eventually happen because the cultural argument is being won.

        These issues happen this way because there's a cultural sense of how it just isn't fair, isn't sensible, isn't right to do them otherwise.  Culture isn't won like this by pretending that bullies have a valid point.  Culture is won simply by addressing what matters.

        Crazy people are running the show on the right wing for a variety of complex reasons, one of them being that it's easier to sell fear, paranoia, dread and hate than it is to sell information.  The commentators they have are more or less demagoguing charlatans.  Everyone knows it, The Simpsons makes fun of it, Jon Stewart's job is practically to point it out, and casual, 'moderate' people seem to be amused by that fact.

        Our system of government relies on making sound arguments, and having observers listen to them and attempt to figure out who's the most sane on policy.  Pretty much the only people fooled by Fox are partisan diehards, which is quite frankly, older people.  That's a problem that solves itself over time.  Albeit slowly, which can be annoying.

        Certain arguments need no serious rebuttal.  Does anything more need to be said?

        The only thing is, the Republican party is mostly organized and motivated around silly things.  Everything they do will motivate and organize their own opposition.

        •  Paul ~ (0+ / 0-)

          I think you are overly optimistic.

          "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

          by SaraBeth on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:23:28 AM PST

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          •  History is optimistic. (0+ / 0-)

            Few people today would advocate for slavery or dueling.

            There have been significant changes in culture over time, we just don't tend to live long enough to notice all of them.  It's also frustrating that we're still struggling with slavery and animal cruelty, but at least those practices can only continue insofar as they're being hidden.

            Back in the day, this comic was controversial and almost didn't get published.  I don't exactly have much hopes for tomorrow, or even 10 years from today, but 200 years, or 10 centuries, when everyone that matters to me (or ever will matter to me) are gone, I have a general confidence that what will go on will be better.

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