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  •  Oil, weapons and drugs. (33+ / 0-)

    That's the big bankers game.  Video games are nothing compared to the violent war culture the MIC has the world hooked on.  One of the largest congressional caucuses is devoted to the "rapid, urgent" deployment of drones to as many military, law enforcement and security organizations as possible.  It's a race with the MIC and drones are the hottest right now. Gun manufacturers are part of the MIC which is international, a global weapons trade from top to bottom.  Unfortunately, there is no stopping the MIC or the militarization of the planet.  

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:28:08 AM PST

    •  I understand (14+ / 0-)

      But I can't agree with giving up. We're still a representative democracy and we still have the power to begin to fix things from the bottom up. Greed is powerful and will continue to wreak a hell of a lot of damage, but we can't cease the fight.

      The opposite of life is not death, but indifference. -- Jaki Gefjon (A.A.Attanasio)

      by Max Wyvern on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:35:00 AM PST

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      •  Are we a Democracy? (25+ / 0-)

        I would argue that we are a Corporatocracy. That the presence of corporate financing has taught legislators that they can be elected by catering to the desires of their richest patrons and that they no longer need to pay attention to the mass of voters except at election time.
        I'm afraid that until we the people decide to pay for our elections; insist on free air-time for qualified candidates, and prohibit Corporations from spending their treasure to influence public policy, we will never live in a Democracy again.

        A clay Buddha can't cross water. An iron Buddha can't go through a Furnace. A wood Buddha can't cross a fire. Nothing works all the time.

        by sfzendog on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 05:56:56 AM PST

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        •  I think this last election proved that wrong. (7+ / 0-)

          The people clearly voted against people for whom millions of corporate and private money was spent.  Part of the reason it failed was because the sponsors thought all they had to do was spend overwhelming amounts of money and they would win.  Unfortunately, they lied far too often and far to egregiously.  They will get better at it.

          But for now, at least, it remains clearly in our hands to prevent that.  

          The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

          by Back In Blue on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:40:45 AM PST

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          •  If there were a political power meter where would (0+ / 0-)

            you both put it. If the metric were to rate where you thought the power of an individual citizen stands in our current system if they have poverty level earnings through the earning power of a corporate "person" at the top of the scale on the horizontal axis of a graph (rated on a 1-10 scale) and the amount of political power per person (rated on a 1-10 scale) what would the rating points look like when you connected them with a line?

            I think they would look like the Co2 levels since the industrial revolution hockey stick graph. How much that changes, a small amount in the current election I think, is how much of a democracy v a coporateocracy (I like the term cash-ocracy) we have at any given time. Perhaps we should create a graph like this and see what we would get through letting everyone rate the points.

            Love = Awareness of mutually beneficial exchange across semi-permeable boundaries. Political and economic systems either amplify or inhibit Love.

            by Bob Guyer on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:32:31 AM PST

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            •  I really don't know. (3+ / 0-)
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              But I do know that Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove and American Crossroads, and a whole bunch of corporate funded super-pacs spent a shit-ton of money to get Romney elected and ended up with nothing.

              Meanwhile, non-white people, women and young people (who would make up most of your hockey stick graph) made the difference in this election.  

              The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

              by Back In Blue on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01:12 AM PST

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              •  true (2+ / 0-)
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                but they won the house, many state legislatures, and defeated the anti-GMO proposition in blue California. we may have stopped the tide now but the system is still broken.

                •  It's rare when you win everything. (0+ / 0-)

                  And they didn't "win" the house.  They lost seats overall and if it weren't for the democratic party ignoring state level elections, especially in 2010, the gerrymandering that allows the house to look nothing like the popular sentiment state by state, we'd have taken that back, too.

                  The system isn't broken.  It's exactly the same as it's always been—far from perfect and open to manipulation.  

                  The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

                  by Back In Blue on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:37:06 AM PST

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          •  The election only confirmed the importance of $$$ (2+ / 0-)
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            We were able to beat back the avalanche of corporate and billionaire money only by raising an enormous amount of money ourselves for progressive candidates.

            The pleas to donate came flooding in non-stop from an array of great candidates who were fighting unconscionable amounts of out-of-state and out-of-district corporate and billionaire money aimed against them.

            Us small guys gave till we bled to combat that corporate money.  

            It should not be so.

            Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.

            by Happy Days on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:40:24 PM PST

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        •  We're a democratic republic... (0+ / 0-)

          ...and the founders didn't anticipate (well maybe TJ did) how huge a potential loophole they were leaving with that little free-speech thing; especially if the Supreme Court might come along and do something incredibly outrageous like declare corporations to be people. Then to follow that up a while later by saying that spending any amount of money was just that little person freely speaking their 2 cents (or a couple million).

          In some ways it looks like we've lost the war but it's not over yet. We managed to overcome the horror of slavery (for the most part) after a couple hundred years of not giving up the fight. I may be naive, but I think the system can heal itself given enough time and effort. The internet is a wild card nobody could have predicted. It empowers us to equalize the playing field somewhat. Without it Obama wouldn't have stood a chance.

          BTW - sfzendog, I sent you a kosmail message.

          The opposite of life is not death, but indifference. -- Jaki Gefjon (A.A.Attanasio)

          by Max Wyvern on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:36:55 PM PST

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      •  "We" have already given up. Not me, but (4+ / 0-)

        collectively the sheeple are either completely apathetic or thoroughly brainwashed to think that America's wars are good and holy and that might makes right.  Manifest Destiny, 21st century style.  The MIC has surpassed even what Eisenhower imagined over fifty years ago.  How can it be stopped when the people will never try to stop the war on terror or the American global military empire.  The "Patriot Act", "Homeland Security", shit, they have us right where they want us. In the movies.  And sorry to say, that includes most progressives.  They get what they vote for.

        "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:50:17 AM PST

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        •  The definition of "we" is always in flux (1+ / 0-)
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          In 2004 "we" elected George Bush to a second term. In 2008, a different "we" elected President Obama. "We" got stupid again a couple years later, then "we" woke up and did the right thing this November. Yeah, it can be damn frustrating when "we" act like total idiots and vote based on xenophobia or who we'd rather have a beer with, instead of who has a brain and a conscience. Still, as bad as things have been, I like the trends. The priviledged white male mentality is gradually dying off, as shown by the last election. It's going to get harder and harder to pull the wool over "our" eyes with massive infusions of corporatist cash and deception. As it gets harder for them, it makes it more possible for we the open-hearted and truly progressive in spirit to get the upper hand. Don't lose heart now.

          The opposite of life is not death, but indifference. -- Jaki Gefjon (A.A.Attanasio)

          by Max Wyvern on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:26:46 PM PST

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    •  When you include the global economy (1+ / 0-)
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      in those areas, legally and illegally traded goods, I bet you're talking about close to 50% of the entire world's GDP. The wealth generated from those areas is also leveraged many times over into other areas.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:19:05 AM PST

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