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  •  We do have to give schools intervention ability (1+ / 0-)
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    Teachers are in a position to see a lot of kids, over the course of time.  Thus, they see children that need help quite clearly.  

    Parents may not like hearing that mental illness is in the picture, but there have to be ways that help can be given children who need it.  Mandated intervention if necessary.  

    I think, with the alienation of more children who learn to zap mass kill numbers on video games, the prospect is that we are going in the direction of creating more mayhem.  We can't continue to ignore this.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 01:28:08 PM PST

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    •  In my school system teachers are very (3+ / 0-)
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      pointedly told not to suggest a need for counseling, a need for anything because then the school system would be liable for paying for it. We can ask a parent, "Have you maybe considered possibly a counselor?" We sure can't say, "I think he needs a counselor."

      •  I think that is also because teachers cannot (1+ / 0-)
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        diagnose anything. An experienced teacher might notice patterns, but they cannot diagnose illnesses or conditions. You are not licensed to do that. You could be wrong. What if you say the person has ADHD, when the person really needs glasses or has schizophrenia? I think that is what you could be liable for.

        I think the only thing you can do is if the parent is worried or bringing things up and is asking for a diagnosis you can suggest they bring their child to the doctor.

        •  Common sense (2+ / 0-)
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          The bigger value is getting help to those people who need it.  One teacher or anyone else who spots a problem should be taken for what it is, a useful indication of something.  

          Further definition should be up to professional specialists and testing, and treatment.  

          Psych treatments are never about one hour of encounter.  It takes years, if in fact it is not already too late.  

          hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

          by Stuart Heady on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:22:26 PM PST

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          •  Once a friend of mine tried to tell a student's (0+ / 0-)

            mother he thought her child needed psychological help and she responded, " I think YOU need to see a psychiatrist."

            •  Perhaps what that suggests is a mandate (0+ / 0-)

              I can see parents and teachers getting into a contest of wills over something like this.  But some progress has to be made, otherwise we are going to lose the ability to call ourselves a civilized society.  

              Perhaps this is an indication of something Congress needs to address.  Or maybe the Department of Education.  

              At any rate, I think the role teachers play in observing students every day should get more respect.  

              hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

              by Stuart Heady on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 09:39:23 PM PST

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              •  I think it was a case of teachers who (0+ / 0-)

                didn't realize that some parents don't want to know, and I can't blame them. Nobody wants to hear that.

              •  choose your words carefully (0+ / 0-)

                sometimes the only thing you need to say is simply report the behaviors observed. You can not say someone NEEDS anything ... but you can say you observed this and it disrupted the class - or Johnny spends approximately 75% of his time in class sleeping - then say what interventions you have done to try to help this problem.

                If the parent's do not care to hear it - then what?? Invite them to come and observe the class - they don't have time - so who else do you report it to? Government agencies? so we have the government raising kids more than the parents ....

                The diarist makes valid points. what is a good solution to the problem?

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