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  •  As I commented yesterday (1+ / 0-)
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    "KEEP" Arms. "BEAR" arms.

    I concede these words, a literal reading of the Amendment, one that Scalia and the rest of the offscoured scum of the Supreme Court insist upon. I AGREE with those mofo's!

    I also note the Amendment is silent on other words:
    "Sell" Arms.
    "Buy" Arms.
    "Trade" Arms.

    (And I recall vividly the main body of the Constitution gives Congress the right to regulate commerce, i.e. buying and selling of goods and services.)

    "Buy" Ammunition.
    "Sell" Ammunition.
    "Trade" Ammunition.

    (The original intent of the the Founders of course dealt with home-made ammunition. I readily CONCEDE the right of all citizens to make their own lead ball ammunition, just as the Founding Fathers intended and envisioned. Otherwise, see "Commerce Clause" above.)

    "Register" Arms.
    "Tax" Arms.

    (These are all functions of "well-regulating" a militia. It would be a logistical nightmare for the government to have to provide 87 different kinds of ammunition to a company of 100 in the militia and would make the force useless for defending the "security of the State." (.45 caliber bullets are a lousy fit in a .22 caliber barrels.) Regulating by requiring uniform weapons for use in the militia and using the governmental taxing power to discourage the use of non-standard weapons, the militia can be much more effective because they can all use their weapons and be readily supplied by the state. (Homemade, lead ball ammunition being the obvious exception of course.)

    "License" arms.

    (The NRA opposes this, along with demonstrating gun skills in order to obtain a license, on grounds of "the slippery slope." "It's just the first step for the government to find out who owns guns as they get ready to come an take them away from you...."
         I note millions of Americans carry a driver's license, which they obtained after demonstrating driving skills in order to obtain it. In over 100 years of licensing drivers I look through American history for instances when the government used lists of licensed drivers as the first step toward seizing your car. The "slippery slope" of car licensing, to my knowledge, has not led to wholesale, or even retail, government confiscations of private vehicles. (Vehicles used in a crime are of course another matter. And even there, the government has not defined vehicles as illegal and subject to seizure, only as physical evidence involved in a crime.)

    Just a few thoughts on how and where some terms might fit in a "national conversation about guns" might fit.


    "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

    by WineRev on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:18:02 AM PST

    •  The transport industry generates (1+ / 0-)
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      about a third of total tax revenue.

      Personal transport vehicles kill and maim far more people than guns in the USA.

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        "personal vehicle transport" deaths in US (2011): 34,677.

        Latest "2nd Amendment object" deaths in US (2011, latest available) (total of homicides, suicides and accidental discharges): 32,163.

        Difference: 2, 514.

        So, "far more people" = 2514, or 7.8%, which for you, equals "far more people"......

        We will, for this year, ignore that "personal vehicle transport" deaths have fallen, again, as they have through the '00s, while "2nd Amendment object" deaths have risen over the same period.

        (Source: 2011 Report, National Vital Statistics, Vol. 61, #6. Pages 41 and 42.)

        And by the way, beginning in 1965, (following the publication of Ralph Nader's book "Unsafe at Any Speed") there has been a concerted, sustained effort to make "personal transport vehicles" safer for operators and the general public. Seat belts, stronger bumpers, safety glass, smooth front ends and dashboards, non-exploding gas tanks, better brakes, radial tires, better suspensions, stronger lights, backing up cameras, self-parking software, road-embedded and snow-plow-able lane markers---just to name a few, have all made "personal transport vehicles" and the roads and conditions they operate in steadily safer, so that the number of fatalities per 1 million miles traveled has fallen 43 of the 46 years since 1965. (SOURCE)

        Pray tell, have "2nd Amendment object" safety courses, 30-shot magazines, the Saturday Night Specials of the 1980s, glass-tipped bullets (tut! tut! The Founding Fathers never used glass for their Second Amendment objects...), police-armor piercing rounds, gun show exceptions to various requirements, lack of pre-sale ballistics registration, mechanical devices that alter "semi-automatic" to merely "automatic" (highly illegal of course and NO ONE EVER does this), hollow point ammunition that splinters on contact to maim and wound more efficiently---just to name a few, have these all made "2nd Amendment objects" steadily safer? Do you have statistical evidence to support your claims?

        In the words of Faux Noise, some people say these things...and I'm just asking the questions...


        "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

        by WineRev on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21:59 PM PST

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      •  Can we regulate guns as tightly (0+ / 0-)

        as we regulate cars?

        You must demonstrate to the state than you have the skills needed to operate a motor vehicle and your fitness is re-evaluated periodically and can be revoked. You must carry liability insurance, keep your car's safety features in good repair and every car must be registered with the state.

        Historically, traffic fatalities are at an all time low and falling!

        You cannot compare traffic fatalities to firearms deaths since automobiles are an everyday fact life. The number of people carrying a firearm around all the time is way less than the number of people driving around every day.

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