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  •  The guy shot up climate change legislation (0+ / 0-)

    With a rifle.  Guess he doesn't give much shit about the Earth and future generations either.  These guys aren't going to budge on guns.  They're just gonna say "mental illness", "mental illness", "mentanl illness".

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:12:40 AM PST

    •  What kind of mentally ill person (0+ / 0-)

      Shoots up climate change regulation with a rifle?

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:13:15 AM PST

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      •  One who wants be elected in West Virginia (1+ / 0-)
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        Coal is king here. It's a one industry state. If real climate change legislation passes then economically the state will collapse. Of course if climate change is not addressed the world will collapse.

        You can lead a Republican to knowledge but you just can't make them think.

        by FisherOfRolando on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 09:22:56 AM PST

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        •  But since getting rid of annoying mountains (0+ / 0-)

          Y'all have plenty of open space for solar and wind now, right? Plus hydro, from all the streams that were destroyed and diverted into hog wallows. Just think of the possibilities!

          Now, what can we do with coal ash? Quick, think of a practical everyday use for something that's loaded with toxic metals and radiation!

        •  I'm not at all sure that's true (0+ / 0-)
          If real climate change legislation passes then economically the state will collapse.
          First, the state of WV is not the coal industry, and the coal industry in the east has been declining for decades.

          What happened that led to the Manchin ad is that the energy industry saw an opening with the tea party movement and the anti-Obama backlash, and boy did they use it. Rick Boucher, a relatively moderate (not even blue dog) Dem from a conservative district in SW VA which included VA's small bit of coal country, tried to work with the industry to get a compromise on cap-and-trade. They applauded him at first, then turned around and stabbed him hard in the back, and he lost re-election primarily on the issue where they'd claimed to support him. Manchin had to dodge that assault along with everyone else the industry was attacking, and that ad resulted.

          The industry made all kinds of claims about how their collapse would result from any legislation at all; in the long run that might be true, but for now the effect of cap-and-trade would have been small compared to the effect that cheap natural gas was having on making them uncompetitive. It helped their political attacks that coal was already seeing a downturn, largely due to that cheap gas. Furthermore, the industry was working with the Dems in the first place because they preferred a clear-cut Congressional bill over ad-hoc regulation from the EPA, which is what they actually got when they killed cap-and-trade; while they will fight the latter tooth and nail with their lawyers, they may not have gotten any benefit in the long run. But they drank the Tea, and they'll have to drown in it.

          What is most interesting about Manchin's move in light of this is that this isn't his first rodeo. The NRA may be so silent now that they've turned off their Facebook page (yet again), but you can bet they'll come out swinging with their usual propaganda against anyone and everyone that supported even slight improvements to gun legislation. Manchin has seen this play out before with coal, and while he knows there is a large political risk here, I believe he is capable enough to understand that most of the assault from the NRA will happen when it is most convenient for the NRA's campaign and fundraising apparatus, not right away. He must believe at this point that assault will be a paper tiger, at least as far as the assault weapons ban he is advocating.

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