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  •  That's something we need to empirically verify (1+ / 0-)
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    rather than just assume. We need to know roughly how many guns used in violence are "imported" from areas with laxer regulation to areas with stricter regulation; we can't just assert that they are using "common sense". Same with the anti-gun-control argument that most guns used in crimes are stolen. They assert that loudly, but we really don't know how many (and the gun lobby has tried to block research that could help determine that).

    We really need to know these sorts of things because in the absence of that knowledge, we can spend great amounts of effort and political capital to create "solutions" that make hardly any difference or would even make the problem worse (as a software developer, I know that it's very easy to spend a lot of time and effort trying to speed up a part of a program that accounts for a negligible amount of its run time and that if my program is too slow, the first things I have to do is measure where it's spending most of its time, and then concentrate on speeding up those parts. We need to apply the same approach to social problems).

    Writing in all lower-case letters should be a capital offense

    by ebohlman on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:59:38 PM PST

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    •  I can't list the studies off the top of (0+ / 0-)

      Mh head, but oddly I think this is one of the things we do know.  Basically, because of various checks and laws, the location of the first sale of every gun in the US is known by serial number...so all of those confiscated in gun crimes can be checked against the database.  

      I might be wrong on this, but I think many of the larger cities have checked, and found most of the guns from states that are lax...again, if I remember correctly, particuarly VA, NV and AZ.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 09:44:33 PM PST

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    •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

      This has been done though by a number of researchers and the results are mixed or weak. Where you have conflicting research, that suggests the result is at least not so overwhelmingly obvious / definitive that it can be affected by different samples or methods. I suspect the reason for that is my above comment.

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