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  •  Which is why the discussion on hollow points today (0+ / 0-)

    sort of floored me. It's one thing to use them in hunting if they have to, but in a handgun? With bullets flying? Someone made the point that had Gabby Giffords been shot w/hollow points her brain just would have turned to mush (I think they said liquified) due to the energy as the bullet expands. That right there is just some weird, weird stuff. WAY beyond me.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:09:22 AM PST

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    •  It might be more accurate to state that... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Hollow point rounds and similar such ammunition are designed to create more devastating wounds. This may be achieved through a number of different and related methods; including but not limited to the round expanding, fragmenting into multiple pieces, and / or 'tumbling' (passing through the victim in an erratic and winding fashion, rather than a straight and comparatively clean line).

      It may be somewhat fanciful to state that in the given example of Gabby Giffords, her brain would have been 'liquified'. However, it is very likely that the use of hollow point ammunition would have increased the severity of her injuries, quite possibly to the point of fatality.

      Such ammunition is attractive to law enforcement precisely because of its propensity for causing injury of a greater and more immediately debilitating nature, thus ending engagements with greater rapidity. This approach does rather seem to hinge on the assumption that there is little to no risk of bystanders being hit, unfortunately.

      •  Well, you and I aren't law enforcement (I'm (0+ / 0-)

        guessing you aren't) and most using it aren't either.

        And this:

        This approach does rather seem to hinge on the assumption that there is little to no risk of bystanders being hit, unfortunately.
        Um, yeah. And we know that is all wrong.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:51:05 PM PST

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        •  You raise excellent points. (1+ / 0-)
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          If I understand correctly, it is your contention that the majority of hollow point ammunition is utilized by civilian firearms enthusiasts. One also assumes, by extension, that you disprove of this state of affairs.

          Assuming that this is an accurate assessment, I extend my agreement. Hollow point rounds, and other forms of equally exotic ammunition, have no place in the civilian market (possibly barring some highly limited hunting applications).

          Similarly, I would agree with your contention regarding the aforementioned New York bystander shooting incident, and police use of firearms in the vicinity of uninvolved parties in general.

          I have the greatest respect for those that choose to dedicate themselves to the public good and place themselves in danger. At the same time, I find myself dismayed by the frequency with which episodes of police misconduct - all too often with fatal consequences - are reported on. I'm not sure what the causative factor is, but it certainly seems to warrant investigation at this point.

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