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  •  It seems we're at an impasse. (5+ / 0-)
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    Laconic Lib, Kevskos, Gorette, MKinTN, luckydog

    You're talking about surrendering real liberties for perceived security.  We are talking about surrendering perceived liberties for real security.  

    I don't know if there's any way around that.

    Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

    by nominalize on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:55:24 AM PST

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    •  Easy solution. (1+ / 0-)
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      fuzzyguy

      Learn the definition of 'liberty'.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:05:27 AM PST

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      •  You suffer from presupposition failure (0+ / 0-)

        like I said: Impasse.  

        Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

        by nominalize on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:20:02 AM PST

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        •  Let me help. (0+ / 0-)

          "Liberty NOUN:
              1)The condition of being free from restriction or control.
              2)Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
              3)A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. "
          You want to sacrifice Constitutional Liberty for Perceived Security...as per the definition of the word 'Liberty'.

          I was against surrendering Liberty for perceived security when it came to the Patriot Act, to Torture, to Gitmo, and to Warrrantless Wiretaps.
          And I am against it now.

          Words have meanings. You can't change their definitions in order to feel better about your position.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:56:15 PM PST

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