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  •  Full Public Funding for Mental Health Care (2+ / 0-)
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    Is it the entire solution? Of course, not. Many peoStple who have extremely dangerous behavior do not fit into any recognized form of mental illness.

    But many people DO need professional mental health care and can't afford it because of no or limited insurance.

    We need full, public funding for mental health care and intensive education for the general public so that we can help families or neighborhoods who suspect that one of their own may have a problem.

    •  We can't legislate empathy or morality. (1+ / 0-)
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      We can't legislate understanding.

      We can legislate the things that make a lack of empathy deadly, but we can't legislate empathy.

      Video games, meh. I know a lot of gamers. I don't think that's the right target. Healthy people know the difference between fantasy and reality.

      We can't legislate a person's ability to know the difference. But we CAN legislate that person's access to health care, and legislate that person's ability to access weapons that can kill a dozen people in one setting.

      None of this violates anyone's liberties.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:18:34 PM PST

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      •  Never suspected it! (0+ / 0-)

        I'm just listening to the "pundits" who seem to think the solution is simple. And arguing with my husband, who confuses "arming school security guards" and "banning automatic weapons and 100 round clips."

        We simply have to start somewhere. Having a free professional public mental health options for families or neighbors who suspect problems is one little step. Banning automatic weapons and 100 round clips are two unavoidable steps. There is much more we can do, but start here and don't make any of these things political.

        I'm not against guns...or against video games...just against stupidity!

      •  A very good poster here pointed out yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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        that the difference is that the video games train our children on how to kill quickly and effectively, as our Military Industrial Complex demands.

        Think for a moment on this please.

        We will never get all the guns out of this nation, not without another civil war but we can stop teaching our children how to kill.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:56:52 PM PST

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        •  Um, I play video games that could be described (1+ / 0-)
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          as violent. I can assure that playing a video game doesn't teach people HOW to kill people quickly and effectively. The video games are nothing like an actual gun.

          I'm actually a better aim with a real gun than I am with video games. But I don't own nor do I want a gun. I do enjoy playing the games.

          Again, the vast majority of our society can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

          P.S. I am not a crackpot.

          by BoiseBlue on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:48:23 PM PST

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          •  Just because you may know the difference doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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            correlate to what we are witnessing today.  I know the difference as well.

            The point you are unwilling to admit to, they are teaching our children how to kill and make it fun to do so.

            Would you recommend a drinking game to an alcoholic or a video card game to a gamblers anonymous member?

            We do see an increase in gambling problems with the expansion of casinos.  Why is it so hard for you to accept that with an increase in movie and video game violence, we are witnessing such in our society?

            Anyone claiming these things don't have an effect is being naive in their position.

            Where do these methodical psychopaths come from?  They plan their attacks for years, where the hell are they getting these ideas from? I do not believe any child wakes up and says, I'm going to kill everyone and then goes about planning it.  

            The expression of violence is taught and learned. We all have the capacity to be violent, so how about teaching our children peace, instead?

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:33:00 AM PST

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    •  The issue of mental illness is the now the (1+ / 0-)
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      "fashionable alternative to gun control."

      Over and over again the diversion to mental health issues.

      It's the GUNS.

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:22:59 PM PST

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      •  It's both! (1+ / 0-)
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        Don't be simplistic. I totally agree with the gun control laws. But the mental health issues are important as well. One does not ameliorate the other.

      •  How many of your fellow Canadians are mentally (0+ / 0-)

        ill? How many actually get help for their conditions?

        We have other issues to deal with first and before we re-write our constitution so that your smug moral superiority can be satiated.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:00:13 PM PST

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