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    oldpunk

    I never said 'all whites'. I never said 'liberals NEVER cared', either.

     Of course, there are some white liberals who are genuine in concern and intent. but they have never been signiicant to matter overall, it is a tribal thing.  history has shown - rhat all tries are very slow to stick up for the rights people of other 'tribes', because it is very difficult to defend a scoundrel  as they risk becoming an outcast.  A plurality of whites knew slavery and Jim Crow were wrong but most of them did nothing about it and consented to it through inaction. it's human nature

     Black people generally are keen to this reality and understand white tribalism, and understand why the Left wing of the white majority is generally very slow to helping them. Black people know that the white 'left' is their only hope at equal rightsl, as they have the power in numbers to vote for things they want in common.  So no they wouldn't blame white liberals for carnage that is being committed by their own people.

    That made absolutely no sense.

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      to stick up for the rights of people from other tribes

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        a lot of us do anyway. In fact, the heart of liberalism is the sticking up for other tribes.  I've often felt that the real mark of liberalism isn't whether you get loud for rights for your own group.  It's whether you stand up for your neighbors rights, merely because it is the right thing to do.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:47:14 AM PST

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      splashy

      I appreciate your reply very much.

      HOwever, I would point out that that in fact you do talk about all white people and all liberals:

      White people nationwide are just now seeing what black people have been living every day on the national stage happen to children of their own race and culture.
      The people who voted for these laws are most likely 'liberal' leaning, Democratic voting, largely white people who live  on the outskirts of these minority poverty areas who are scared of minority 'thugs' coming from urban areas  into their peaceful suburban havens to rob them.
      the modern gun rights battle has ALWAYS been about racism, regardless of whether it is from the Left or the Right.
      You have a whole string of unqualified statements that tar the ENTIRE swathe of people with a very ugly brush, including a lot of people on this site, if not a majority.

      I'd say this: if what you meant to say was "some white people" and "some liberals"  then you should be clear about that.  You'll get a lot less confusion and misunderstanding of your meaning that way.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:45:44 AM PST

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