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  •  define 'military-style' (6+ / 0-)
    By advocating for even the mildest and most sensible restrictions on ownership of, say, military-style semi-automatic assault rifles, they claim that we are handing electoral victory to the evil Republican hordes.
    Under the old AWB legislation, a Ruger Mini-14 with the factory stock was perfectly acceptable, but add a pistol grip and it turned into an "assault weapon".

    "Assault weapons" under the old legislation were simply semi automatic firearms with a particular set of cosmetic features.  At its best, it was feel good legislation that accomplished nothing.  Unless you intend to make the leap to "semi-automatic equals assault weapon" there is no reason to revive this legislation.

    And, incidentally, if you do intend to make that leap, you'll bring all sorts of people, ranging from right-wing uber conservatives to left-wing progressives out of the woodwork to oppose you.

    I own one of these, primarily for it's historical value.  Would you deem it a "military style assault weapon"?  It can be reloaded as fast an AR-15 and fires a much more powerful round.

    There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

    by Crookshanks on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:56:52 AM PST

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    •  You know exactly what I mean. (0+ / 0-)

      This is precisely the kind of hair-splitting feigned ignorance  that throws your sincerity and integrity into doubt, and encourages me to reject your entire argument.

      I know my firearms, thanks. There is a textbook definition of assault rifle: a reduced caliber semi or fully automatic magazine (i.e. 'clip') fed weapon designed to inflict maximum casualties in minimum time. By reduced caliber I mean either the AK-47 type with a shorter cartridge but full bore round, or the AR-15/M-16 type with a reduced caliber but high velocity round. These, along with semiautomatic handguns, are hands-down the weapons of choice for mass murderers. They are virtually useless for hunting (as opposed to bolt-action 5.56 mm/.223 cal. rifles). I would absolutely limit access to these weapons, along with high-capacity magazines, for precisely these reasons. The ludicrous desire for home defense against the zombie apocalypse is not a compelling reason to permit private, unregulated, non-militia possession of these murderous weapons.

      Your M-1 Garand firing a full caliber 7.62 mm or .30 caliber round is indeed nominally more powerful. Its type was replaced by essentially every modern army with reduced caliber assault rifles because they deliver more casualties per pound of carried ammunition, and are far easier to aim and control in combat.

      •  again, why? (1+ / 0-)
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        I would absolutely limit access to these weapons, along with high-capacity magazines, for precisely these reasons.
        Aside from a few high profile incidents, these firearms are not the go-to choice for criminals.  The overwhelming majority are owned by law abiding citizens.  You may declare that they have no value for hunting, which is disputable, but they are effective choices for self defense, and I'm curious why you would take them away from millions of people because of the actions of a single/double digit group of bad apples?

        Here's the rub for those of us on the other side of the fence.  Historically, gun control has been a game of incrementalism.  Today you'll say that we don't need so-called assault weapons.  A generation from now somebody else will say that we don't need semi automatic firearms.  A generation after that somebody will say that we don't need handguns.  This is exactly what has happened in other countries, and the reason why the pro-RKBA crowd fights tooth and nail on the AWB, even though the vast majority of us (including me) don't own any of the firearms you seek to prohibit.

        There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

        by Crookshanks on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:12:22 AM PST

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