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  •  Is Pratt illiterate...??? (7+ / 0-)

    Hey Pratt!  Show me where the Second Amendment says we can threaten our politicians with guns.  I double-dog dare ya....


    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Obviously, Pratt also knows nothing whatsoever about the context in which the Second Amendment was written.

    Because I recently downloaded copies of papers on one of my ancestors who spent six years in the continental army and had to look up some of the famous battles in which he participated, I ran across some educational TV shows about what led up to the Revolutionary War, what happened during the war, and the aftermath when the US Constitution was written.  [I had other ancestors in the Rev War; I don't have a list of battles they were in, altho I know one other one was at Valley Forge one winter, so at least two of my ancestors were there.]

    Here's the short version of history before, during, and after the Revolutionary War.  Obviously, to be well-versed in the historic period would take many years of research, and these videos just barely scratch the surface of info.
    PBS:  Liberty!
    PBS:  Timeline of the Revolution [part of the Liberty! web site]

    The Documentary Site [on YouTube] has put Liberty! online.

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 1 of 6 - The Reluctant Revolutionaries

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 2 of 6 - Blows Must Decide

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 3 of 6 - The Times That Try Men's Souls

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 4 of 6 - Oh Fatal Ambition

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 5 of 6 - The World Turned Upside Down

    Liberty: The American Revolution - Episode 6 of 6 - Are We to be a Nation
    The Revolution
    The HistoryFeed didn't post [or deleted] the first video from the series.  Someone else put it online in three parts.  This link gets you the second through thirteenth videos in chronological order on a playlist..., or click each link below in chronological order.

    01 The Revolution- Boston, Bloody Boston
    1 TheRevolutionBostonBloodyBoston.m4v
    2 Boston Bloody Boston pt. 2.m4v
    3 Boston Bloody Boston pt 3.m4v

    02 The Revolution- Rebelling To Revolution

    03 The Revolution- Declaring Independence

    04 The Revolution- American Crisis

    05 The Revolution- Path To World War

    06 The Revolution- Forging An Army

    07 The Revolution- Treason & Betrayal

    08 The Revolution- The War Heads South

    09 The Revolution- Hornet's Nest

    10 The Revolution- The End Game

    11 The Revolution- Becoming A Nation

    12 The Revolution- Road To The Presidency

    13 The Revolution- A President and His Revolution

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:48:15 AM PST

    •  Let's just (2+ / 0-)
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      Triple Dog Dare him....put it out there in terms even kids can understand....why just do a double when a triple was always the SERIOUS threat?

    •  And in short, your ancestor was (0+ / 0-)

      also a traitor, and only didn't get prosecuted because we won.

      •  I know.... (3+ / 0-)
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        All of the continental army members were..., as were the signers of the Declaration of Independence.  Hence this sentence on the Declaration of Independence:

        And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
        They knew perfectly well that if they failed in their endeavor they'd all be hanged, drawn, and quartered as traitors.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:44:32 PM PST

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      •  that may be, but that doesn't mean (0+ / 0-)

        that the laws set up in the new Republic provided for said ancestor to immediately pick his gun back up and fire on all the politicians he disagreed with in Congress. That could hardly be called instituting a new gov't.  It's more like instituting endless war.

        If we want to go by the constitution and the law, it's not really cool to threaten politicians with guns. If OTOH we think we're starting the next Revolution, then it's dumb to say we're patriotic Americans, given that what we're threatening with guns is America.

        A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:53:36 PM PST

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    •  Please turn that comment into a diary or (1+ / 0-)
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      perhaps a diary series.

      If you could add the histories of insurrections that were put down by "well regulated" militias, the histories of the Militia Acts and the subsequent conversion of state militias into the National Guard perhaps we could then address Heller and why it is so wrong.

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:24:35 AM PST

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      •  Thank you, Just Bob... (1+ / 0-)
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        But... I don't really have enough of an expert background in the subject of military history to write about them in depth.

        Most of my male colonial New England ancestors (I have paternal and maternal lines back to the Mayflower and shortly thereafter) are on ATBA [Able to Bear Arms] and militia lists, and that's where I've gotten their names.  One collects an amazing amount of historical data in conjunction with genealogy research.

        I have expertise in several areas..., war and military history aren't among my areas of expertise, or even interests.  True, I have some information....  They're just facts to go along with data about a few ancestors, especially this last one I found whose application for a pension included a list of famous battles in which he participated for the six years he was enlisted.  A while back I found the deed he'd been given for land for participating in the Rev. War (pay was scarce, so many soldiers participated because they'd been promised land if we won).

        I only know these things about the Revolutionary War because it connects to ancestors in my family tree - the actual writing of the Constitution is much more interesting, but my ancestors were not there (altho two names on the Declaration of Independence are familiar and may connect to early colonial ancestors who married siblings or cousins of my direct ancestors).  I had several ancestors in the Rev War, plus one Loyalist who went to Canada.  I may write about them as a topic for genealogy research at some future point, just not yet.  [Two others who connect in cousin branches actually have an extensive military background and even have Wiki pages; one invented a new killing weapon during the Civil War, and a different one was an officer - our common originating ancestors, brothers, were Quakers.]

        Yet another one who was in a local militia in Marshfield, MA participated in the Great Swamp Fight with other people from there who went to RI to help out during King Philip's War - a war I'd never heard of in high school or grade school.  One of my ancestors who was with them came back and thereafter suffered "bouts of temporary insanity" for what he'd seen.  He died young, and his wife (dau of Edw. Doty of the Mayflower) married two more times, had children with all three husbands, outlived all three, died of old age.  In RI during King Philip's War when the Great Swamp Fight happened, another ancestor (who's #1 son was my ancestor) was killed by Indians and beheaded while he was out looking for Son #2 who was found by others and then accused of firing on the colonists.  He had married an Indian woman and had a son with her.  He was executed for treason, but in an unusual move (possibly a 'whoops, we goofed' move, like an apology) his land and goods were not seized by the crown and his son was allowed to inherit.

        I've been doing genealogy research off and on for fifty years, since I got interested in high school.  Since getting my first computer in the fall of '01, I've been doing research at least weekly, if not daily, and I've been finding information - copies of actual documents some 200+ years old, no less! - faster and faster as they come online, and I'm better at doing research in one of two foreign countries who have images of their records online for free, all thanks to the taxpayers in those countries, and a third one with similar records and record formats, but theirs have been put online by corporations and are fee-based.

        War itself..., is not something that interests me unless I can document my ancestors and relatives as being in them.  I think most wars are pointless, and could be avoided.  Certainly, the last "justified war" in which the US participated was WWII (where a paternal uncle serving with Patton's 6th army in one of the tank divisions helped open a concentration camp).  Korea, Vietnam (where I lost high school friends), and Iraq/Afghanistan (where my youngest nephew served two tours of duty) are all bogus wars and the people who died did so for no reason other than the profit margins of military-industrial corporations, as well as more recently, oil and mercenary corporations.  Corporate profits are not a good enough reason to start a war.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:41:20 AM PST

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