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  •  I don't understand that: (0+ / 0-)

    My construction describes a right critical to states and the people depending on state militias to suppress slaves and defend against Indian attacks. You seem to think that we have to make it useful to you personally.

    BTW: "self defense" also a concept known to framers.  Not in there.

    Your state is allowed to restrain itself any way it likes. Irrelevant to the second amendment to the fed constitution.  

    One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

    by Inland on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:25:02 AM PST

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    •  The Framers also knew (0+ / 0-)

      about breathing, too  bad it isn't protected under the constitution.

      States' rights? Corporate rights? Militia rights? Government rights? Hell no! Only individuals have rights. Proud lifelong human supremacist.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:45:01 AM PST

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      •  It doesn't have all the rights you want. (0+ / 0-)

        I dont think that is a surprise to anyone, given slavery and lots of other stuff the founders accepted  You're going to have to rely on voters to judge what additional rights you should have.

        One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

        by Inland on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:11:21 PM PST

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    •  also (0+ / 0-)
      You seem to think that we have to make it useful to you personally.
      I'm not asking you to make it anything.  It's mine.  How I use my individual right is none of your damn business.

      States' rights? Corporate rights? Militia rights? Government rights? Hell no! Only individuals have rights. Proud lifelong human supremacist.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:46:47 AM PST

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      •  Whether you have a right is in question. (0+ / 0-)

        That is all.

        One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

        by Inland on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:13:10 PM PST

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        •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

          Whether we should have that right is in question.

          What the limits of that right are, as a restraint on the powers of government, is still being worked out in the courts.

          But, under our system, unless and until Heller and McDonald are overturned, or the Constitution is ammended, (neither of which I consider likely,) we do have it. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution, as it applies to the actions of the government.

          That's why this diary is so critical, for every side of this debate.

          --Shannon

          "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
          "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

          by Leftie Gunner on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:48:30 PM PST

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          •  "should" is a question for legislatures (0+ / 0-)

            not judges.  Let's vote.

            And don't put much faith in the staying power of the five-four decisions overturning a century of settled law.    There isn't going to be another set of five justices with radical agendas.  

            One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

            by Inland on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:07:25 AM PST

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