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  •  Time for Pelosi & Reid to take away the reins (10+ / 0-)

    from Obama, who clearly doesn't know how or is willing and able to lead an increasingly progressive party let alone economically struggling country (that is struggling in ways well beyond the current recession and has been for years).

    They gave him a chance. He squandered it, big time Time to take control of this situation and publicly state that any such deal will simply not pass the house (where Boehner will need some Dem votes to pass it) or senate (where Reid gets to decide what bills get voted on).

    Sure, it'll undermine Obama politically and make him look weak and foolish. But guess what, he's already done that to himself, so this is just making it official.

    Lead or get out of the way, Obama.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:51:40 AM PST

    •  Take away the reins from Obama? (4+ / 0-)
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      stevej, Losty, aliasalias, shaharazade

      Pelosi?

      This Pelosi?

      Nancy Pelosi Says She'd Back Simpson-Bowles Plan

      Reid?

      This Reid?

      “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

      by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:57:27 AM PST

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      •  Pressured by the left, perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01:49 AM PST

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        •  Glenn Greenwald called it about a month ago. (15+ / 0-)

          Today we have progressives saying this potential deal is "unacceptable."

          We're entering STEP ONE of the six steps of the attack against the social safety net that Glenn Greenwald laid out last month:

          STEP ONE: Liberals will declare that cutting social security and Medicare benefits – including raising the eligibility age or introducing "means-testing" – are absolutely unacceptable, that they will never support any bill that does so no matter what other provisions it contains, that they will wage war on Democrats if they try.

          STEP TWO: As the deal gets negotiated and takes shape, progressive pundits in Washington, with Obama officials persuasively whispering in their ear, will begin to argue that the proposed cuts are really not that bad, that they are modest and acceptable, that they are even necessary to save the programs from greater cuts or even dismantlement.

          STEP THREE: Many progressives – ones who are not persuaded that these cuts are less than draconian or defensible on the merits – will nonetheless begin to view them with resignation and acquiescence on pragmatic grounds. Obama has no real choice, they will insist, because he must reach a deal with the crazy, evil GOP to save the economy from crippling harm, and the only way he can do so is by agreeing to entitlement cuts. It is a pragmatic necessity, they will insist, and anyone who refuses to support it is being a purist, unreasonably blind to political realities, recklessly willing to blow up Obama's second term before it even begins.

          STEP FOUR: The few liberal holdouts, who continue to vehemently oppose any bill that cuts social security and Medicare, will be isolated and marginalized, excluded from the key meetings where these matters are being negotiated, confined to a few MSNBC appearances where they explain their inconsequential opposition.

          STEP FIVE: Once a deal is announced, and everyone from Obama to Harry Reid and the DNC are behind it, any progressives still vocally angry about it and insisting on its defeat will be castigated as ideologues and purists, compared to the Tea Party for their refusal to compromise, and scorned (by compliant progressives) as fringe Far Left malcontents.

          STEP SIX: Once the deal is enacted with bipartisan support and Obama signs it in a ceremony, standing in front of his new Treasury Secretary, the supreme corporatist Erskine Bowles, where he touts the virtues of bipartisanship and making "tough choices", any progressives still complaining will be told that it is time to move on. Any who do not will be constantly reminded that there is an Extremely Important Election coming – the 2014 midterm – where it will be Absolutely Vital that Democrats hold onto the Senate and that they take over the House. Any progressive, still infuriated by cuts to social security and Medicare, who still refuses to get meekly in line behind the Party will be told that they are jeopardizing the Party's chances for winning that Vital Election and – as a result of their opposition - are helping Mitch McConnell take over control of the Senate and John Boehner retain control of the House

          “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

          by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:18:56 AM PST

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    •  Pelosi maybe (4+ / 0-)
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      kovie, Mr Robert, blueoasis, elwior

      Reid does the WH bidding, we saw that during HCR negotiations.

      No wonder the WH worked behind the scenes to get rid of Pelosi in leadership.  Glad they were unsuccessful.

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:03:04 AM PST

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      •  Obama may well go down (6+ / 0-)

        as the most successful conservative president in US history, putting to shame McKinley, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Reagan and Bush II.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:04:42 AM PST

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        •  He may be in the Dem "Hall of Shame" (4+ / 0-)
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          Mr Robert, blueoasis, allenjo, elwior

          and, like GWB, ignored by history for his poor administration, weakness and failure to meet the challenge of so many crises.

          Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

          by Betty Pinson on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:22:37 AM PST

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