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  •  Republicans aren't looking at it that way... (2+ / 0-)
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    From RedState:

    "Boehner’s Tax Increase to Nowhere

    Obama and the Democrats have engaged in sly marketing to peddle their tax increases.  After spending more than a decade fighting the Bush tax cuts and denying that they lowered the tax burden on everyone, they now co-opted the tax cuts and are demanding that taxes on the rich go up, lest the middle class go over the “fiscal cliff.”  Instead of calling them out for fighting against those very tax cuts for years, Republicans have given into this doomsday notion of avoiding the deceitfully contrived fiscal cliff, and are therefore resigned to raising taxes.

    We already know that Republicans will never demand something substantial, such as entitlement reform or Obamacare repeal, something that will fundamentally alter the trajectory.  However, they have always stood firm on taxes.  This vote, which is scheduled for the end of the week, will serve as a jail break vote – one that frees them up to vote for additional tax increases in the future.  Hey, once you vote to increase on those earning more than $1 million, you could knock it down to $500,000 and include caps on deduction for those in the second tax bracket as well.  Sensing this opportunity, Democrats are immediately balking at the proposal, knowing all too well that they can extract even more concessions.

    Boehner plans to schedule a vote on two bills; one would raise taxes on the rich, while the other would extend them for all tax brackets.  We must demand regular order on the floor of the House with the opportunity for members to offer amendments.  Please call your representatives and tell them not to raise taxes for the purpose of feeding the rapacious, unconstitutional growth of government."

    Sometimes DK is just the other side of the RS coin.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:55:44 AM PST

    •  Except that is stupid (11+ / 0-)

      analaysis and this one makes sense.

      FYI, if nothing is done, the Bush tax cuts expire in their entirety.

      I wish thinking were involved in the analysis hee.

    •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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      The far right is going crazy that Boehner has yielded an inch.

      I would like to see the actual numbers before condemning any deals.

      For example, this ''cut'' to SS....by law,of course,these funds stay in their separate bucket,and therefore any cut in benefits will extend the life of the SS trust fund,which has a shortfall by 2030 or so,at which point they will only be able to fund 75% of benefits.

      I know some on here do not want to touch anything with the SS program,and worry about a huge cut in benefits in 2030,in 2030. That is one approach.
      If this move extends SS for another 5-10 years,is it of any value?

      The complete hysteria on this site at any suggestion that SS and medicare,which will run out of money at some point, be looked at, is not surprising,but it does cut off substantive discussion of solutions.

      •  Bullshit. (3+ / 0-)

        Go ahead and ask around. What people here want are changes, such as lifting the payroll tax cap, that make Social Security completely solvent.

        "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

        by Hayate Yagami on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:24:33 AM PST

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        •  Not everyone (0+ / 0-)

          agrees with that,either.

          It smacks of a ''welfare'' program as those wealthy who will pay in more,will not get all of their contributions back as benefits,due to caps on benefits.
          It is like means testing,which I support...many on here hate it because they feel it is a slippery slope to making Medicare a welfare program.

      •  Solutions to a different problem (3+ / 0-)
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        This is not a reasoned Congressional discussion of modifications to Social Security and Medicare.  This is not that.  This is a hurry and slash entitlements before Christmas while Americans are grieving about the children and we can pretend to tax the rich and deal with the debt.  This is a callous, thoughtless, slash and burn seniors deal.

        There is NOTHING under the sun balanced about this deal.  What are we balancing?  The only thing we're balancing is how much we can screw seniors on Social Security before we balance it with more cuts in Medicare.

    •  False equivalence plus a disregard for the (4+ / 0-)
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      substance of the two contrasted arguments in an attempt to score a rhetorical point.

      I have some interesting information you obviously haven't heard before: a teabilly nut being opposed to something (for any reason, fact- or fantasy-based) does not imply we should think that "something" is a good (or even neutral) thing.

      It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

      In this case, the teanutters are opposed because they don't actually understand what they're talking about. They think Obama is a socialist, FFS. Considering just about anything that comes out of that group to be on any level other than the insane ramblings of a diseased mind is giving them far too much credit (and an insult to the insane ramblings of a diseased mind--at least they can't help it due to a medical condition).

      •  Seen more than a few GreenTeabilly nuts... (0+ / 0-)

        here who are equally convinced Obama is a Capitalist Corporatist hell bent on destroying the last Great Society/New Deal policies remaining.

        The more I hear both sides scream their outrage, the more similar they sound.

        Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

        by LiberalCanuck on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:35:27 AM PST

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        •  Then you have a tin ear and have bought (3+ / 0-)
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          the ridiculous "both 'sides' hate it, therefore it's good!" idea right along with the "both sides are equally shrill" idea hook, line and sinker.

          You're wrong on the facts. It's not debatable; your opinion is just factually incorrect, like a climate denier's. Period.

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