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  •  HE WAS NEVER FOR SINGLE PAYER (3+ / 0-)
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    He did not campaign on it.  There were not enough votes to pass it.

    He didn't take it off the table because it was never on the table.

    The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

    by fladem on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:22:32 AM PST

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    •  Yes he was (3+ / 0-)

      Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

      by Shockwave on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:32:54 AM PST

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      •  That was not (1+ / 0-)
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        when he was running for President, which you well know.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:43:29 AM PST

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        •  My point is that he took it off the table (1+ / 0-)
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          It is the negotiating strategy I disagree with.

          He also did not campaign on gun control but he will do it because it is the right thing.  And he knows that Single Payer is the right thing.

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          by Shockwave on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:59:22 AM PST

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          •  Nonsense (2+ / 0-)
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            there was no support in the caucus, and he didn't support it.

            The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

            by fladem on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:03:02 AM PST

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          •  Have to disagree on that (1+ / 0-)
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            I personally support single payer, but I think coming out for it might have doomed any chance of passing anything. Unfortunately, most people have a negative impression of anything government run. If it had been framed as a Medicare expansion it might have done better publicly, but it would have still been a very risky strategy and there's no way in hell it would have had the support it needed to pass.

            When I worked in the labor movement, my boss told me that during the debate over Clinton's healthcare, they were surprised that most of their members opposed single payer, because they did not think a government-run health plan would be as good as the employer-provided insurance they had.

            Single payer would be the best way to go if we were starting from scratch, but most people don't want to give up what they have. I will admit that when I worked in labor and had very good health benefits, I would not have traded it for Medicare.

            I wish they had started out pushing for an option to buy into Medicare instead of calling it a "public option." Since Medicare is a familiar program that has been successful that probably would have had more popular appeal than anything with the word "public".

    •  My own personal version of Hell (4+ / 0-)

      fighting every supposed Obama betrayal over and over and over again while ignoring that Obama is the most liberal President we've had since FDR.

      When we were ahead, people at DailyKos said to fight like we were behind. When we were behind, people at DailyKos said to give up.

      by NoFortunateSon on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01:21 AM PST

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      •  Yeah. PPACA was way more Liberal than (1+ / 0-)
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        Medicare and Medicaid.

        Dude.

        "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

        by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:55:28 AM PST

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        •  I wouldn't say one was more liberal than the other (0+ / 0-)

          Just looking at the scope of the Presidency.

          When we were ahead, people at DailyKos said to fight like we were behind. When we were behind, people at DailyKos said to give up.

          by NoFortunateSon on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:40:58 PM PST

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          •  Really? You'd say whether or not private (0+ / 0-)

            insurance companies got a 15% skim right off the top has nothing to do with how liberal either bill was?

            "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

            by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:52:27 PM PST

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            •  Private companies didn't make off on Medicare? (1+ / 0-)
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              You might want to think your line of arguing through.

              When we were ahead, people at DailyKos said to fight like we were behind. When we were behind, people at DailyKos said to give up.

              by NoFortunateSon on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:44:30 PM PST

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