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  •  First of all I don't accept the notion (3+ / 0-)

    that the system is corrupt.  Individuals within it are and that does not include the President and most members of the Democratic Party which seems to be the people we're supposed to be behind here.  There are things that need changing but "bring it down" means to me erasing it all and starting over.  In my mind there is no way to erase it all without violence not in the time frames you all are insisting on.  I am all in favor of non-violent methods of change but history shows us those are slow and methodical and not based on some single issue.  Not a one of them includes tuning out and turning against the more ethical of the ruling powers that be.  This initial diary showed nuance, opened reasonable discussion but right away the "sky is falling bunch" chimed in followed closely by the "fuck it all.  Let's throw all the bums out" crowd.  Well many of us are tired as hell of these tactics and keep seeing the same names pop up all the time when they begin.  

    Let's get back to point of this diary but I'm not sitting by idly if it gets taken over by talk of abandoning the Democratic Party and our President.  If that gets me banned or HR'd so be it.

    "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

    by artmartin on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:58:27 AM PST

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    •  You don't believe the system is corrupt? (3+ / 0-)
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      don mikulecky, adigal, Mr Robert

      I got that right?

      You have no credibility.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:00:38 PM PST

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      •  I'm sorry but that's too simplistic (1+ / 0-)
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        There are too many parts of the "system" that still work, that serve the citizens of this country, that make us as humans stronger, enhance our lives, give us food, water, community, the arts, education, defense.  There are still within the "system" those that sacrifice for the common good, truly care about making a better world, face the crazies out there putting themselves into the spotlight.  

        I concur completely that there are parts of the "system" that need reform, that there's too much money in politics, some very evil men in positions of power but those parts thrive in societies where people aren't involved tightly with the very basics of that day to day governance and not by screaming and carrying on.  The change comes by grinding day to day work to propel the most talented up into the representative slots.  We're on this site to work WITHIN your hated "system", to make it more Democratic and progressive not to tear it down.

        I rest my case by what you just posted.  

        "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

        by artmartin on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:30:31 PM PST

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