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  •  A friend on Facebook posted that the (2+ / 0-)
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    average number of people killed in a mass murder in which police showed up was 18.6, and the average when a civilian was armed was 2.2. I have no idea how they fudged those stats, but come fucking on... the average mass murder is much lower than 18.6. That is just a ridiculous, fear-mongering number.

    •  I didn't know there were mass murders where (7+ / 0-)

      the police didn't show up eventually.

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      by Calouste on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:03:43 PM PST

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    •  Those stats are bullshit (5+ / 0-)

      In none of the last 60something mass murders in the USA never once has an armed civilian stopped the killer. I have read that in the past few days in a very reliable source, but alas do not have a link.

      Also interesting: gun owners are something like 5 times more likely to die by gun violence than non-owners.

      We have only just begun and none too soon.

      by global citizen on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:12:21 PM PST

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    •  Must be made up. (4+ / 0-)

      There just aren't many (any?) examples of armed civilians stopping a mass murder. Not to mention the fact that (luckily) the sample size is so small that even if there had been a handful of civilians who stopped a mass murder, there would still be no statistically significant way to conclude what this facebook poster is trying to claim.

    •  Something to think about (0+ / 0-)

      They say "this was planned to be a mass murder"  but the fact that only a few people were shot before someone shot them tells  you a lot of things.. you don't know if that person would really keep shooting; in all of the cases that they list the person didn't have an auto or semi-auto, and therefore it would change.

      It's comparing apples and oranges.

      And the part that most of them leave out is this:  most of theirs end with a civilian killing another civilian to 'stop' the killing.

      Someone posted this in a thread in one of my diaries:

      You go to a midnight movie.  Some crazy person comes in with an automatic gun and starts firing.   9 people are in the theater with their concealed carry semi-autos they bought to protect themselves.  At 1AM, in a dark theater, they all stand up and draw their weapons.

      Do you like your chances now?   Are you, a civilian, ready to easily identify who is the legitimate shooter VS. another person who is just 'defending themselves'?   If you survive, how will you feel if you killed several people who weren't the original shooter?   Or, worse yet, could you in the end be the one responsible for more death in that theater then the original criminal?

      Something to think about..

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      by Chris Reeves on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:22:20 PM PST

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