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  •  Here's (3+ / 0-)
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    ban nock, BlackSheep1, murrayewv

    a little secret.

    It took help 20 minutes for help to get there. After numerous phone calls to 911.

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      when gun owners and those who have access to their guns go crazy people get hurt and killed.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:36:22 AM PST

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    •  Look, it took 20 minutes in THIS INSTANCE... (0+ / 0-)

      ... this area is safe.  I know, I lived there.  This was an exception.  I don't know where you live, but this area of Connecticut is probably what you remember your neighborhood being when you grew up.  People know each other, they look after each other.  I would walk my dog at 2 in the morning without any fear.  There is no way they could have prepared for this.

      I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

      by Hey338Too on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:48:55 AM PST

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    •  And the solution (1+ / 0-)
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      ...is to better fund local law enforcement.  To set up organized local, state, and national training and testing programs.  So that first responder teams really can respond first, or at least faster.  So that there is a standardized level of preparation.  As a side benefit, that also means a standardized level of competency that gets rid of people like Sheriff Arrest-BrownPeople in Arizona.

      Essential services like fire departments, EMTs, and police officers are, in a very real sense, infrastructure.  They are human infrastructure.  And like much of America's infrastructure, they need help.

      Giving everyone a gun doesn't help.  It doesn't help us, and it doesn't help THEM.  If you think the police are cautious to move into a live-fire situation now, just wait until they have to proceed with the expectation that bystanders have been encouraged to return fire.

      Is that guy with the gun the real shooter?
      Did he take the shooter's gun?
      Is he a third party trying (or even succeeding) at being a hero?

      They can't tell.  You can't tell.  "Arm everyone and kill the crazies when they start shooting" ... even if it works -- which more often than not it most certainly doesn't -- even if it works, it is inevitably going to lead to a cop responding with lethal force against an innocent victim.  Or a cop hesitating to take the shot against the real shooter and being another blue uniform killed in the line of duty.

      For every Pearl, Mississippi, I'm pretty certain there's a case where more guns made things worse.  And for every Pearl, Mississippi, there's absolutely 2 or 3 cases where more guns would have made things worse, but the people carrying them had the common sense not to make the chaos of live fire even worse by pulling out their own firearms.

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      by Serpents Choice on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:51:59 AM PST

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