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  •  With the greatest of respect, (2+ / 0-)
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    relying on a report from CNN, which doesn't seem to have to had the most reliable information on this incident, to allege that police took 20 minutes to respond, is a bit much.

    •  Hartford Current (2+ / 0-)
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      as well.

      911 calls commenced at 9:30 AM, multiple sources.

      First responders arrived at 9:50 AM, sheriff's department.

      The sheriff has declined to publish a timeline.

      •  Transcript of police/fire dispatch (0+ / 0-)

        from the New Haven Register:

        It would appear that someone (police? fire?) responded within 5 minutes; the fire station (volunteer?) is right next to the school.

        •  The 9:38 (0+ / 0-)

          was from dispatch. The shooting had stopped was a report from a 911 call.  40 seconds later the police were talking about "staging SWAT" and going from there. 9:53 one suspect down, building cleared. Report of last shots at about 9:46.

          Cops took 20 minutes.

      •  And yet a different CNN story puts the first 9-1-1 (0+ / 0-)

        call at approximately 9:40am...

        Hochsprung, the slain principal, had recently installed a new security system to ensure student safety.

        Under the new system, every visitor was required to ring a doorbell at the front entrance after the doors locked at 9:30 a.m. and report to the main office to sign in.

        Police began receiving reports of shots fired around 9:40 a.m. Friday.

        Regardless of what one may feel about "da cops" -- I can almost guarantee you that a radio call amounting to "possible shots fired at a school" will result in a response time that's as fast as is safely possible.

        Republicans did to Michigan what Apple did to iTunes.

        by here4tehbeer on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:34:27 PM PST

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        •  That story (1+ / 0-)
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          predated the released dispatcher transcripts.

          The calls came in at 9:32.

          Fact is, the cops can't be there.

          •  Oh - my mistake. I see this isn't so much about (0+ / 0-)

            poor response time as it is about any response time.

            Carry on then.

            Republicans did to Michigan what Apple did to iTunes.

            by here4tehbeer on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:47:06 PM PST

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            •  Didn't say (0+ / 0-)

              that either.

              Unfortunately, poor response time seems to be the norm.

              I would love for them to be able to respond in a more timely manner. They, and you, say it can't be done.

              That is, if I am following you.

              •  I can only speak to my current locale, that being (1+ / 0-)
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                downtown Columbus, Ohio. I know that many months back some of the city police precincts were jiggered around to help with response times and whatnot -- but it played havoc with already crazy schedules and threw a lot of cops out of long-time beats into completely new ones.

                Around that same time there must have been other changes as well -- as I've noticed the number of "red light and siren" runs up dramatically in the past 12-18 months, and I think that's based more on available manpower than a huge increase in the types of calls that typically warranted that response (at lease that's the sense I get from my scanner).

                For there to be cops where everyone would like them to be (or to get there as fast as everyone would like) takes four things: more cops, the money to pay for them, the political wherewithal to ask for them and the public's willingness to pay for them.

                Your city's milage may vary.

                Somewhat related anecdotes:

                A couple days ago in (I think) San Antonio, what could have been yet another public massacre was quickly closed down by a lady with a CCW -- but it was an off-duty sheriff's deputy (who's probably required to carry 24/7) already at the scene who took out the shooter with one shot when the shooter's weapon jammed (which seems to be a recurring theme).

                There was another cop driving by who, just prior to that, had heard the shots fired and in fact took one in the windshield as he rolled up.

                So yes - a well-trained law enforcement professional already at the scene (a movie theatre lobby) assessed the situation in a split second and managed to take the bad guy out with one shot and no collateral damage.  Lots of skill, lots of luck.

                On the flip side of that, you have fucking morons like the  WalMart "security" guy who a few days ago chased a young lady shoplifter out of the store and then, when she got into her friend's car and it started to leave, made his second and third bad decisions of the day: he tried to get her out of the passenger side of the car, and when the car started to back out and pull away he tried to stop the car with bullets.

                He managed that last part alright; unfortunately, it went through that young mother's head in the process and killed her.  No skill, no luck, and if it were me a manslaughter charge at the very least.

                Yes, there are too few of the former, yet I fear way too many of the latter... and that concerns me.

                Whether or not someone carries is their business; whether or not they're competent enough to do so is mine.

                Republicans did to Michigan what Apple did to iTunes.

                by here4tehbeer on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 03:11:07 AM PST

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